SKS rifles - what good are they?

I bought a new Norinco several years ago for $59, and enough ammo to give you a hernia for ten cents a round. Mine prints very good groups at 100 yards. For the price, I figured it could do double duty as a tomato stake, sledge hammer, or boat paddle if I so desired. It's no beautiful work of art, but I enjoy shooting it from time to time. That's good enough for me.
 
Great looking pic! Can you tell me how you took the shot? I'm guessing it's on the floor and you're shooting above... with flash or floor photo flood lights?

I'm having a problem shooting long guns... I've been balancing on a ladder and shooting down, with a flash.

Thanks!

Linda -

No high tech lighting here. The gun was placed on a large sheet of white countertop fiber-based plastic, laid out on the ground, that I bought specifically for photographing rifles. I shot it outdoors on a cloudy day in the shade to get the diffused light with soft shadows. The rifle was propped up on its back side with a glob of modeling clay to hold it, slightly angled towards the camera, in place. I shot it at aperture priority f/8 to get good depth of focus, at 1/20th of a second, ISO 100. My camera, a Pentax K200D with 10.2 megapixel capacity, has a shake reduction feature that's worth +2 stops, so I was able to stand over it and take the shot hand-held. I used spot metering on the dark metal to be sure there was enough exposure. The lens was a Pentax 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6, set at around 26mm. The picture was then cropped and reduced in size via CompuPic software to post here. I use a smaller sheet of the same countertop material and the same technique for handguns. Seems to work pretty well at very low cost and little setup bother.

Hope this helps.

John
 
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Shot a few and enjoyed it,,never owned one personally though.
If people find them affordable and gets them into shooting and hunting,, that's a good thing for the sports over all I think.

I could think of worse things to be armed with in a bad situation. They seem to do what they were intended to do.

Certain makes/models seem to be getting pretty fair money lately too.
 
My dad tricked out a couple Chinese versions with everything he could find in the Cheaper Than Dirt Catalog. One is now mine and my son has the other. I'm going to use it for plinking and general fun. I have ammo. Do you have to use a stripper clip or can you just shove the cartridges in there one at a time?

You can load the magazine with single cartridges, one at a time, if you lack the stripper clip.

John
 
I have a Norinco (pic included) that will shoot inside 3" at 100 yards if I do my part. Better with some ammo. Worse with others.

I REALLY like shooting SKS'. I started, like many, when the rifle and 1k rounds of ammo cost $100 each. As you can see, mine is not in the original stock and I ground off the bayonet lug in order to add a high cap mag (Clinton years).

I also had two Yugo's but, when the Obamanation drove the prices up to over three times what I paid for them, I let them go to finance some handgun purchases.

I have two friends that started their youngsters deer hunting with SKS'. Mine is just for fun and would serve nicely if I ever need a 20 round SD rifle.

I really like your Tula, Paladin. Nice pic.

Just wanted to add, no FTF's, EVER.

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Cheap, nicely balanced carbine, built like a tank and shooting an effective battle round. What's to ask for?
 
I laughed at them when a friend told me about it until I shot it....

I had three gave one to a friend. I recomended everyone have at least one and a tuna can of ammo back when they could be had cheapo and ammo was cheap n plentful. Even if you are not a end of the world type it is cheap insurence to many situations.

Perfect- not by any means but better than a sharp stick- oh but many even had "sharp sticks" mounted on em ;)

Easier to shoot and hit with at a distance than a pistol- light recoil etc. I still say they make a great farm or cabin gun.
 
IIRC the SKS was designed to be the Soviet VolksRifle. They were designed to be shot and maintained by uneducated and illiterate "peasants" of the USSR. Thus they work flawlessly with little or no maintenance and don't require a large carbon footprint manual of arms. ;-)
 
The SKS, the gun that won the east....

I bought one and so did a friend around 1993. Brand new, unfired, Chinese, chrome lined barrel, $129. We bought them because there was no cheaper centerfire rifle ammo available than 7.62x39 ammo. We bought 1000 rounds each at 9 cents a round. That was $90 for 1000 rounds!

After we shot it all up, shooting bowling pins and pumpkins and what have you, we sold the guns. That was a few years later and we actually sold them for more than we paid.

They were neat and fun. That's all.
 
They've been real plentiful on the milsurp market, and the Chinese have flooded our shores with them. They are not really rifles, not really carbines, and in spite of the fact that they fire an "assault rifle" cartridge, they are not assault rifles - no hi-cap mag, and no full-auto capability. The full metal jacket military rounds are no good for hunting, and they aren't all that accurate for target shooting. The chicoms aren't really collectible, although the Russian imports might have some claim in that direction. I have one, almost against my better judgment. This one was made at the Tula arsenal in the Soviet Union in 1951.

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If you have one or more of these critters, to what use do you put it? Plinking? Home defense? Collecting? What's the charm of this interim Cold War relic?

You could easily say the same thing about the U.S. M1 Carbine except it was/is made in the U.S. and fires a much less powerful cartridge, but they are incredibly popular - and expensive.
 
For me a SKS would be a 'collectable', I don't hunt. However since the ballistics of the 7.62X39 are very similar to a 30/30 which around here is still a fairly popular deer rifle, I don't see why a SKS wouldn't work OK with SP's.
 
Don't knock the SKS!

A good man with an SKS can whip some serious butt. I'm a former grunt and wouldn't feel poorly armed taking one into battle. They're easy and fun to shoot, affordable and chambered in an adequate caliber.

A friend of mine brought one back from Vietnam. The charlie that he took it off of (KIA ;)) had done some serious damage to his platoon, including killing the G.I. walking right in front of him. :( Like I said, put one in the hands of a good warrior............

I like mine for the qualities it posseses as a weapon as well as it's historical significance.

As far as the SKS killing the Winchester 94, I'd never heard that, but it makes sense to me. I do think, however, that the clowns at Winchester deserve some of the credit.
 
Like pretty much everybody else, I bought one of the eighty buck ones way back when. I shot it a few times, stuck it away, and finally gave it to my wife's cousin a couple of years ago. I don't think I'll get another - its just too heavy for what it does.

Oddly enough, my kids gave me a $99 Big-5 Mosin Nagant M44 for father's day last year, and I love that ugly little thing.
 
I'd like to have one in a twenty rnd configuration. Sounds like it's right down my alley.

Po' man's AK/AR/zombie blaster.

I'm gonna have to keep my eyes on the prices while we got this here recession goin' on...
 
I've got one a buddy gave me about 12 years ago. It's a Chinese (Norinco?) with an orange colored stock. I shot it without a problem for 5 years before I figured out how to take the gas tube off. It was full of cosmoline!! I cleaned off the gas piston and the tube and put it back together. I can't tell any difference.

It's fun as a plinker or as a truck gun, but it is slightly over one minute of beer can at 100 yds.
 
Paladin:

There's so many statements in your thread starter that I just cannot agree with, that I wonder if you made them just to stir up a variety or responses. My comments are in bold font:

They've been real plentiful on the milsurp market, and the Chinese have flooded our shores with them. True. But many tens of thousands more came from Russia, Yugoslavia, Romania, and Albania. Still more were made in East Germany and North Korea, but those variants are unobtanium in the US. Pretty ubiquitous weapon, having such widespread acceptance in so many ComBloc countries, no?


They are not really rifles, not really carbines . . . Uh, by my tape measure the SKS is a carbine.


. . . and in spite of the fact that they fire an "assault rifle" cartridge, they are not assault rifles . . . Agreed, but the term "assault rifle" applies to the weapon, not the cartridge. My Savage bolt action is aslo chambered for an assault rifle cartridge, the 308/7.62 NATO used in the G3, FAL, CETME, and M14. That doesn't make the Savage an assault rifle, because it, and the SKS, do not have assault rifle features.


- no hi-cap mag . . . The Chinese made and issued a 20 rd fixed mag for the SKS. That's hi-cap in a number of states.


and no full-auto capability . . . True, but an assault rifle need not be select fire to be an assault rifle.


The full metal jacket military rounds are no good for hunting True, but the 7.62x39 is available in SP and HP loadings from a number of ammo manufacturers, not to mention all manner of boolits for reloading. As others have mentioned, there were a spate of articles in the popular gun press in the late 80s and throughout the 90s about the SKS being the "poor man's semi-auto deer rifle," and in those states that allow hunting with a semi-auto rifle, the SKS has acquitted itself well as a mid-sized game getter.


and they aren't all that accurate for target shooting . . . Whoa, Hoss!! That's just plain wrong. I have a few SKS that are sub 2.0 MOA. In my experience with the SKS and the AK clones, the SKS generally hands-down beats the AK clones in the accuracy department, and I've been shooting the SKS and AK since I maintained captured examples as a Marine armorer (2111) from the early 70s through the mid-80s. The captured weapons were used for familiarization training. Accuracy was a big function of individual weapon condition, but in general the SKSs were more accurate than the AKs. That holds true for the SKSs and AK clones in my personal collection.


The chicoms aren't really collectible, although the Russian imports might have some claim in that direction . . . Tell that to collectors who are looking for SKSs made by particular Chinese arsenals (there seem to be 15 or 20 that made the SKS, and certain models of Chinese SKS, such as the early Chinese SKS that was more Russian than Chinese. Or the late model Chinese SKS with the plastic upper HG. Or the so-called shorter "Paratrooper" model which was purely for the US market, or the M and D models that accept hi-cap AK mags . . . Then there's the low-production Albanian SKS, the low-production Yugo 59 SKS without the grenade spigot that predated the 59/66 that comes with the grenade spigot, and the Russian SKSs made at Izhevsk, which are vastly outnumbered by those made at Tula . . . I could go on.


I have one, almost against my better judgment. This one was made at the Tula arsenal in the Soviet Union in 1951. That's a great example, and your photo is outstanding. Congratulations!


What's the charm of this interim Cold War relic? I collect and plink, but to me the interest is in the historical significance of the SKS. The SKS is the Soviet answer to the German Mp 44, and is the short-term "bridge weapon" that took the Red Army from the Mosin-Nagant to the AK series of weapons.

JMO, but keep in mind that my perception is my reality. YMMV.

Noah
 
One thing they are good for is to arm the populace. I think the local NAPA sold more than five thousand of them when they were $79.95 to $119.95. If half of those stayed in my county, with a population of close to 9000, that's roughly one for every three to four people. I have two, and practically everyone I know has at least one. I remember High School kids telling me their granddads were buying several for them. The local shop usually has several pallets of 7.62x39. I bought my Yugo last October for $275 with 600-plus rounds of ammo, much of it in stripper clips. What I'm saying is that we could field a battalion of riflemen, complete with spares and probably enough ammo for sighting in and a couple hundred rounds per rifle. These old boys around here have been buying ammo by the case for years. I think I have more than three thousand rounds, and I would bet there are people here who have ten thousand rounds or more.
 
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