Full body scanners

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Yesterday a couple of local DJs on the radio were discussing the new airport security full body scanners. We've all heard about them. Supossedly they can look right through a person's clothing and detect illegal items, weapons, bombs, etc. I always thought it was an x-ray type image. Until I saw the picture of an actual scan the DJs posted on their stations web site. While its by no means a perfectly clear image, it is quite a bit more than an x-ray.

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These scanners are about to go into standard use in the UK, I'm not sure about the US.

Anyway, the discussion centered on the issue of security vs individual privacy. How far is too far?

Now myself, I've reached the age where I don't care to look at myself naked. Much less have a total stranger peeking through my clothes. I have to admit that the thought of an image of me like this stored away in an airport computer somewhere leaves me a bit uneasy.

In England one of the major issues has been children. Many believe that such images of youngsters run through the scanners would violate child pornography laws. As such, its been ruled that persons under the age of 18 will not be scanned.
Now I'm all for protecting children. However, we must realize that our enemies have no problems with strapping a bomb to a child and sending them out in public. Could this ruleing result in a weakness in the system?

Second comes the privacy issue. According to those in charge, only one trained operator will see the scan after which it will be deleted from the system. However, in this day and age is it hard to believe that some of these images will find their way to the internet? Most likely scans of curvy young women. Could internet scanner porn be in our future?
Reportedly there has already been one incident where a man became aggitated when his wife was scanned a second time. Seems he got the impression that the operator was enjoying the picture a bit too much.

Bear in mind that any of these images that found its way into public view would be completely without the consent of the person in the image. Then again, I suppose the arguement could be made that a person does give consent simply by stepping into the machine. Oh yes, I see another tangled legal knot that will spend years in court being unraveled.


There's no doubt that airport security is a major issue these days and absolutely necessary. While these new scanners could very well prevent another 9-11, the possabilities for abuse are staggering.

So the question remains. How much of our privacy, our individual freedom should we sacrifice in the name of security?
I have mixed feelings on the matter. But a certian quote by Ben Franklin keeps coming to mind.
 
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Wouldn't bother me a bit!
I've been dating since Kennedy.
Then got married.....Twice!
So I'm already accustomed to hearing laughter when unclothed.
Whether electronically, or for real?
 
On the bright side, the friendly skies will be less crowded and the busses and trains will be full.
 
For frequent flyers, how much radiation can the body handle before something runs off track????? Not having done any home work on this I assume radiation is being used???? If not, then what????
 
For frequent flyers, how much radiation can the body handle before something runs off track????? Not having done any home work on this I assume radiation is being used???? If not, then what????

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Diane Sawyer did a special last night on the scanner.

1 scan is 1/200,000 of what an Xray is and 1/2,000,000 of what a CT or MRI would be. Images are NOT recorded or stored. Person viewing the monitor is away from the people being scanned.

Now there is specualtion about "child pornagraphy". So children under the age of 18 CANNOT be scanned and must be "felt up" but that "fairly odd" person making $8.50 and hour.

I just had a cystoscopy done with two nurses (female) in the room, so showing my crack and man boobs on an opaque screen doesn't make me blush.
 
I wonder if a metallic tape could be used to spell words they could read....
under yer clothes

Boo
Merry christmas
blank you etc etc
 
and if its porn for kids to be subject too it why is it allowed for non consenting adults? Voyerism charge to the operator maybe?
 
I'm all for this. Everyone trying to fly should have to go through a full body scan. It's ridiculous the amount of grandmas trying to smuggle their shampoo on board.

Profiling would work but, darn it, it's just not right.

:rolleyes:
 
and if its porn for kids to be subject too it why is it allowed for non consenting adults? Voyerism charge to the operator maybe?


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I get from a friend that works at the Fed prison in Marianna FL that they've been using full body scanners there at the visitor's park for years. It was a "gender specific" position and was same sex observer/operator and there were/are no recordings. Not sure about the kids going through it or not though.

Sawyer said last night that in the US the scanner would be "optional" and if you were uncomfortable with the scanner you could opt to be felt up or patted down my the guy or gal with the piercings and tats @ no extra charge to the "victim"

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As far as I'm concerned, when I fly, I am a private individual doing business with a private company. It is none of the govt's business who I am or what I'm carrying.

It's pretty sad that this country has become so weak that people are happy and willing to check their freedom at the door of an airport.
 
Does the advertisement for the screener position

include a requirement for a strong stomach? I sure hope so.

No matter how many times they say no records will be made, etc., if they can't make records or print off images, where are all the pictures from the scanners that we see in the press coming from?

How about this idea - put an air-lock type door on each plane. If someone tries to blow the plane up the passengers hold the terrorist down, put them in a pigskin straight jacket and cycle them through the air-lock door into the wild blue yonder.

No muss, no fuss, no need for Gitmo accomodations, no expensive trials, and no martyrdom (because of the pigskin). It works for me.
 
For frequent flyers, how much radiation can the body handle before something runs off track????? Not having done any home work on this I assume radiation is being used???? If not, then what????

Do you understand the difference betwen ionizing and non-ionizing radiation? Don't feel bad if you don't because most people don't have a clue.

The scanner is NOT an X-ray machine, and uses low-energy microwave non-ionizing energy.

Radiation includes everything ALL the electro-magnetic energy spectrum, including light, radio, infra-red heat, etc.
People who will happily spend all day cooking themselves with natural radiation at the beach will go into hysterics at the mention of 'radiation" from any man-made source. Workers at nuclear power plants and sailors in nuclear submarines get less radiation than the average worker.

So really the scanner is a privacy issue, not a safety issue.

I don't like it at all, and think we should use the Israeli approach of interviewing passengers and looking for bombers, not looking for bombs. Why are we happy to let bombers ride our airlines and learn all our procedures as long as they do not have a bomb at the time?????
 
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The invasion of privacy that the American public allows itself to be subjected to is unbelievable. Why in the world would anybody that wants to get on an airplane be subjected to a full body scan. The government and the airlines are not given the right to initate an illegal
search without probable cause. So, now anybody wanting to visit their family for the holidays needs to be searched before they are allowed to board the plane? I wish the Liberals would target themselves and the Terrorists instead of targeting normal American citizens. Beware of your government because it doesn't trust you (they think you are the problem).

"If you give up your freedom for security you will end up without either freedom or security."
Sorry but I can't remember whom to credit.(but it was not me)

Oliver507
 
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~ Benjamin Franklin


It's more "equitable" to force everyone to undergo an indignity than - Heaven forbid - single someone out of the line because he's giving off suspicious signals.
 
'Images are NOT recorded or stored. Person viewing the monitor is away from the people being scanned.'


This means that it will take two weeks longer than normal for your scan to show up on Youtube.com!
 
I don't care if they want to scan me, I've got nothing to hide. I would rather be subjected to a scan so that they can catch the bad guys trying to harm those of us who are just flying to see family and friends.

Realistically it is as simple as this, "If you don't want to be scanned, DON'T FLY!".

It's just like if you hate the service at a local gun shop, you wont shop there. If you don't like the policy at the airport then you can walk, drive, ride a bus, take a train, paddle a boat or just sit and complain that your rights are being violated.

No one forces you to fly, there isn't anywhere in the world that you MUST take a plane to get to.
 
This unending war will make more problems than gett'in scanned at the terminals. The more terrorist run around causing problems the more laws for security will evolve.
 
reyno2ac ... No one forces you to fly, there isn't anywhere in the world that you MUST take a plane to get to. ...

I agree. If you don't want to undergo the security measures, don't fly - there are many other methods of transportation. I'd much rather go through the scans, etc., then have someone on my plane decide that 30,000 feet is the ideal location to make his/her statement. I've got an ICD (Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator.) When I fly it will set off the metal detectors. I also have sleep apnea so use a CPAP (continuous positive air pressure) machine when sleeping. If I'm going to be gone for several days, I'll take the CPAP with me. (No choice with the ICD, it goes where I go. :) ) Recently I went thru security and told the TSA person about the ICD and that the metal detector wouldn't bother me but it would set off the alarm. So, off I went to a glass enclosed section where I was patted down. I was then told to wait and another TSA agent came in, spoke to the pat down person, and then they swabbed my palms and also the soles of my shoes. When I cleared the room, I was handed my CPAP machine and the agent said, "Whenever you fly with this first wash it thoroughly."
I assured him that it was always washed and asked what the problem was? He replied that it set off the nitro alarm. I said, it's just a positive air machine, there's nothing in it, not even water. He replied that it had something to do with the compressing of the air. OK. Needless to say, it came home packed in my checked luggage. All in all it probably took 15 or 20 minutes to clear security. Was I concerned? Nope. I'd much rather do that then have some psycho slip through with a dangerous device. And what about checked luggage? Seems a little risky there. But in the final analysis, I agree with extensive screening measures. And I also strongly agree with "profiling." If it's done on factual statistical data of known violators, then I guess some folks feelings will have to be hurt. I'd like to stay alive during my trips and arrive home the same way.
 
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As far as I'm concerned, when I fly, I am a private individual doing business with a private company. It is none of the govt's business who I am or what I'm carrying.

It's pretty sad that this country has become so weak that people are happy and willing to check their freedom at the door of an airport.

Oh.. ok. Then it's Mr. Jihads business and his business alone if he wishes to carry a bomb onto a flight.

Tell you what... for everyone who feels too modest or that all these restrictions are too much we should have separate flights.

One group of flights for those who don't mind the checks and scans, one for those who do.

I wonder what flights will be getting blown out of the sky...
 

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