Ideal field gun for National Park carry?

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Now that the National Parks are open to legally-armed citizens complying with state laws, I've given considerable thought to what I'd like to pack while hiking trails that are somewhat far from civilization. I have but one gun in my inventory that I consider ideal for packing in the field as a defense gun against either 2- or 4-legged critters.

First, I'd like the gun to be fairly light, although not so light that it would make the recoil painful and preclude fast follow-up shots. Second, I want an effective stopping cartridge. The .44 magnum and the .41 Magnum are just too much, and the .357 magnum sometimes isn't enough. I want the finish to be stainless, so that bad weather won't affect the gun unduly. The barrel length should allow one to sit down comfortably with the gun holstered. The gun should go bang every time the trigger is pulled, with little or no chance of a malfunction. In the rare event of a malfunction, a quick second try capability would be mandatory. Simpler is better. Nothing to remember except point and pull the trigger.

Now let's go back to caliber. One would want a large cross section, more than adequate stopping power, and manageable recoil. These criteria point to the .45 Colt. I'm not talking about Cowboy loads, but a substantial power level in the order of a 250-grain bullet at around 1,000 fps. I like the "chop factor" of hard-cast semiwadcutters for good frontal impact and bloodletting ability. These loads are not hard to handle; the recoil is more of a shove than a whack, and allow for fast repeat shots.

To me, this would indicate a .45 Colt-chambered stainless revolver with a slim 4-inch barrel. The Smith & Wesson Mountain Gun series would be ideal, but I would want the old-style hammer (firing pin on the hammer) and cylinder release, and a red ramp front sight for easy acquisition in the field. I like the older square grip configuration for a more substantial grip. Forget about the dumb lock S&W is putting on most of its newer revolvers. I'd want the gun to have a smooth action job to provide a slick double action pull.

Here's what I've settled on. It's a model 625-6 Mountain gun, modified as above. The stocks are smooth Ahrends retro classics to convert the round butt to square. You'll find this baby on my hip when I'm in the field. I don't think I could be better armed with a more appropriate gun. How about you?

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Good choice.

Double Tap makes a 255 gr SWC load at 900-1000 fps and about 500 ft pounds or energy.

When I carry a revolver while camping or hiking, I carry a speedloader which can be accessed quickly and also another 30-40 rounds in a zip lock bag stashed in my pack.
 
I don't think I could be better armed with a more appropriate gun. How about you?

Since you asked --- 4" 686 with either 158s or 125s. I can't decide if your 45 would be my first choice then the 686, or the other way around. Since I have a 686 and no 45s I'll go with it. :)

:confused: The wife and I are planning a trip to the Grand Canyon this year and I wonder --- Does a handgun have to be concealed? :confused: Or can it be carried open???
I think that I understand the park rules follow the state laws and AZ requires CC (unlike here in TN). Is this correct????
 
I am not going to be very popular here. First, I like to pack and do as much as anyone here. I worked two seasons with the park service. 1960 in yosemite and the grand tetons in 1961. We didnt even think of packing guns on the job back then. Maybe the goverment didnt care for our safety? A number of times as a fire fighter we were dropped far in the back country for days (by heliocopter) and then spent another day walking out when we put out a lighting strike or whatever.
Another time I and my boss wrestled a shotgun from a tourist that was going to shoot a coyote that a woman was feeding!
The only time I recall wanting or needing a gun badly, was once I was crawling through very thick manzanita as a blister rust checker and comeing on a VERY fresh cougar killed deer. That did make me more nervous than any other experiance. I know of a incident in yellowstone where some idiot tourist put their kid on a bears back for a picture. The bear killed the kid! How about the guy about 20 years ago that was a cannibal and found with some human fingers wrapped up in wax paper?
Then that guy that killed those two or three women out of long barn near yosemite?
When you work in the park service you see almost unbelivable things dudes will do. As soon as they get past the park entrance sign you are apt to see a car stopped dead center in the middle of the road with all the doors open and the people standing on the shoulder takeing pictures of animals or the view!
Haveing been there, done that, I belive guns are far more needed for protection from humans than critters!
Another time I and a girl friend was sleeping in the open without a tent. Other campers were partying and makeing racket. The next morning a guy was found about 80 yards from us kicked almost to death and dieing!
Times have changed. The animals havent. I just find it ironic that 50 years ago not a thought was given for us who lived working there to be armed and now even the tourists are permitted to carry guns. I think it is a good thing though as long as the good guys know how and when to use them. Far as the bad guys go, its all irrelative as they are going to do what they want, law or no law.
 
Depends on which national park. If there is a reasonable possibility that bears live there, I would rather be carrying something that throws .43 caliber 240gr hollowpoints about as fast as the factories load them. I realize that bear medicine is a slightly controversial subject, but right now I believe that that is the best bet. I do own three guns that would work just fine with that ammo, but only one is stainless, and for me that is fairly important. In addition, it has a 3" barrel, so it is pretty easy to conceal, and is double-Magnaported and has a set of Fishpaw grips that help greatly to keep recovery time reasonable.

If bears don't need to be figured in, I don't see anything wrong with most .357 Mag, .45ACP or Colt, or even some .38 Spl loads. There are dozens of guns that might be perfectly satisfactory as long as they are familiar, comfortable to carry, and can be fired fairly quickly. I would not exclude the 1911 or other good autos from the list. In fact, based on the fact that I once dropped a gun in dirt that was almost like a fine sand, the 1911 might be near the top of the list, as it is perhaps the easiest of all guns to detail disassemble.
 
Could be wrong but my understanding is that you can now carry concealed if you can legally do so in that state. Nothing about open carry has become legal. Since CCW is just that, "concealed", most folks will never know the difference. I just hope that those who carry concealed keep it that way and don't go around flashing their guns and screw it up for the rest of us.
 
When I worked yosemite one weekend while lounging around our tent I happened to see one of my buddys sitting reading with his back against a tree. I seen a bear walking right towards the tree from the otherside. I probley should have hollered a warning but instead fished out my browning hawkeye. I got a nice picture of him and the bear running opposite directions! Hope I can find it!
 
Since you asked --- 4" 686 with either 158s or 125s. I can't decide if your 45 would be my first choice then the 686, or the other way around. Since I have a 686 and no 45s I'll go with it. :)

:confused: The wife and I are planning a trip to the Grand Canyon this year and I wonder --- Does a handgun have to be concealed? :confused: Or can it be carried open???
I think that I understand the park rules follow the state laws and AZ requires CC (unlike here in TN). Is this correct????

I believe you're right on that. I have a nice pancake concealment holster that should work for this gun; the only change I'd make would be to apply a set of Ahrends finger-groove concealment stocks in the round butt configuration; they are less likely to print than the stocks you see on the 625. Here's a shot of the concealment grips I like mounted on a 624 Lew Horton Special.

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I would have to carry my 686 4 inch or my new G29 10mm.

Infact i would carry either of my guns while my wife carried the other.
 
IMO, the farther in to the backcountry you go the less need you have for a gun. Why? Because the overwhelming threat in a park is not the critters, especially the bears, but some of the humans you encounter. For that reason, my primary concern in choosing a handgun will be its suitablity for use in self defense against human aggressors. Just about every bear you meet will have sense enough not to mess with a human. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about every human.
 
I would pick either my M625 .45 ACP Mountain Gun or my M629 .44 Magnum Mountain Gun.

The ACP loaded with 230 gr HydraShocks and the .44 loaded with .44 Special CorBons, with a speedloader filled with Maggies.
 
Feralmerril, you've got my vote. I lived in SoCal long enough to see so much stupidity. I'm lucky enough to now have some land between me and the two legged critters. 4 legged ones haven't been a problem.
Most don't want to be anywhere near a human.
 
I am all for being able to carry a firearm anywhere at anytime. But if some John Wayne wannabe, uses this hard earned win for an excuse to shoot a bear, (or any wildlife in our parks) because he THINKS he MAY have been in danger, I hope they prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. All we need is a couple of idiots to ruin it for us all.

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I have a Ruger Alasken in .454 & .45 Long Colt for my back woods gun .
I love the .45 Long Colt .
The only thing I would change with your excellent choice would be the addition of a lanyard ring . I added one to my Alasken and I love it .
 
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I think Palidin has made the right choice.

He can load the 45 to whatever level of performance he feels necessary and loaded right it can equal the 44 Mg.

I have a Redhawk 4" in 45 Long colt, but the gun he has will do just as well.
 
I go into the mtns all the time in Colorado where there are Black Bears but mostly I carry for self defense against two legged types. I usually carry my .357 Mtn Gun loaded with 158 or 180 gr's and feel like it is adaquate for the job.
 
I'm happy about the new the new rules--but I worry

We often visit Yellowstone and Glacier (we live 90 miles from Glacier most of the year). I remember in the late 60s some nimrod shot a female Griz in Yellowstone about 12 times with a .357. The headlines in the Missoula paper were "Grizzley No Match for Magnum". This genius was camping, saw the bear walking thru the campground and started blasting. The bear tried to get away and later died. Turns out this bear had been nosing around camps for years but had never bothered anybody. The antis, of course went nuts. For the last 40 years or so, the rules against feeding bears in Yellowstone and Glacier have been strictly enforced, the dumps have been closed, and you seldom see a bear any more. There are still some trails in Glacier which seem to get closed every other year or so 'cause a Griz gets after someone. I'm not worried about the serious CWP holder who packs for self protection and I will always carry in the Parks. I AM a little worried about the jokers who think they have now found a reason to arm themselves "'cause they're in the Wild West". Yellowstone, more than Glacier, really attracts people who display zero knowledge of the outdoors and who, quite frankly, I'd rather not have staying in the camp next to ours with their hands locked around their .38 because they just heard a noise in the dark. Just my opinion.
 
I would be very comfortable carrying my 625 in 45 Colt in a Nat. park.

I've carried it in this Alessi holster on my days off ,around town.

paladin ,a 625 doesn't have to have forged parts to be reliable or
smooth. My 625 was sent back to the P.C. by the previous owner,
and believe me ,it is slick.

Love the Mountain gun ,by the way. Been looking for one for quite a while now.
Thems thats got em' is holdin on to em'.




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Found a couple of Safariland 'comp IIs' for the 625. Great speedloaders.

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Regards , Allen Frame
 
Me again. I also worked for the wisconsin conservation dept. Had another job that I was off road for another 3 years , so had roughly 6 years working in the boonies over many states, not counting hunting and just boondocking all the rest.
I dont know why it is, but many normaly fine sane people absolutely
go ape when they get in the woods. I was shot at my first hunting season. Think I was 12 years old, or was it 14? Anyway it was my first earliest time I could deer hunt in wisconsin. It was late afternoon of the last day of the season. Dad had placed me on the edge of a thicket by a swamp. The road was about 150 yards away over the open swamp. I seen a guy walking up the road towards his car right at sundown. He stopped, shaded his eyes and it looked like he was looking right at me. I sat stone still thinking he might be looking at a deer behind me. He brought up his rifle and it seemed I was looking down the barrel. Blewey! I heard the bullets flying all around me as he kept levering and shooting 6 or 7 shots! All as I had for a gun that 1st year was a single barrel 20 gauge iver johnson with a slug! Frankly, I didnt know what to do! Finaly I literaly knew he clicked on empty as he kept levering and the gun wasnt going off! I stood up. The guy seen me stand and ran the last 40 yards or so, threw his rifle in the car and scratched out full bore! In wisconsin back then, if not yet, it was highly illegal to not put your gun in a gun case in the car.
In that area in those days it probley was certain that I knew or dad knew who he was if we could have got a good look.
I have seen a number of other incidents personaly, and heard a ton of other storys from friends and family where people have gone completely nuts when they get hyped up and out in the woods. They may accidently shoot at you, but you could be just as dead as if it was on purpose.
 
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