venomballistics
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another word .... mustang
So what does everybody think of the Toyota recall?
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deadin
US Veteran
Warren,
I'll try that the next time I'm out and about.....
m1gunner
US Veteran
The transmission is electric shift and drive-by wire, controlled by the computer like the engine.
There is no "ignition key", just a button that signals the (you guessed it) computer to either power it up or shut it down.
venomballistics
Member
does not count.Warren,
I'll try that the next time I'm out and about.....
as I understand the issues its with drive by wire systems which leads right back to a computer .... Im sure youve had a computer hang before.
MCUs can do the same if they get confused and stop program execution ... at which point the 3 second hold timer part of the program will not take effect.
Also the fools have been hooking the tranny up to the brain box lately. this may mean that your shifters position is only a suggestion ..... to an unresponsive system.
feel lucky you still have non computerised brakes to burn up while everything else hangs like Windows 98
m1gunner
US Veteran
The Prius brakes use electric regenative braking for part of their duty cycle, I hope there is a mechanical/hydraulic ofer ride. They have pads, so there are some real brakes on those sleds.
Originally I was thinking this may be a harness problem, but I am drifting into the computer crash scenereo as a possibility. Look at how many computers crash daily, and how every fix the software writers come up with causes problems in another area.
Gun-runner
Member
Yep that's what's going on! I haven't trusted the government or media ever since that 9/11 scam.
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Gun-runner
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Not trying to be a smart arse in this post but why when these cars take off hasn't anyone just put them in park or neutral? It seems park would blow the transmission or neutral would let it just slow down. Not that this solves the problem but it could save your life.
Jim Shugart
Member
I almost always have a 642 in my Camray. If it ever misbehaves, I'll just shoot the SOB.
The Highlander
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Until recently, we owned two Toyota's, both top of the line 4Runners. We just sold one when the cost of the semi-monthly repairs got to be too much. It had 160k on it, but in the last two years it had started to fall apart rapidly.
The other 4Runner is a 2002, with only 75k. Unfortunately, it too is showing signs of poor quality. It has left me sitting beside the road once, and it left my daughter sitting in the middle of a busy intersection recently. That is pretty unforgiveable.
I'll not buy another Toyota, but not because of the "sticky throttle" problems, simply because I no longer trust the ones I've driven. Two rollback trips, and a problem with the 4WD system in 75k is about as poor as American cars were a couple of decades ago.
Our Honda's on the other hand, and my Ford truck, just keep right on rolling! No problems with either, ever.
The other 4Runner is a 2002, with only 75k. Unfortunately, it too is showing signs of poor quality. It has left me sitting beside the road once, and it left my daughter sitting in the middle of a busy intersection recently. That is pretty unforgiveable.
I'll not buy another Toyota, but not because of the "sticky throttle" problems, simply because I no longer trust the ones I've driven. Two rollback trips, and a problem with the 4WD system in 75k is about as poor as American cars were a couple of decades ago.
Our Honda's on the other hand, and my Ford truck, just keep right on rolling! No problems with either, ever.
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jframe
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Amen to that, brother! I've owned seven of them since 1987; one of the best cars made in ANY year model. (Well, except MAYBE the Mustang II.)
When I first heard about the problem, I said it was electronic. Back in the 80's I had a Olds 98 Regency. The cruise control went out. How it acted was soon as I activated the cruise it continued accelerating until I turned it off. It is a scary feeling. When I took it to my mechanic, he described the situation to me, it wasn't an unusual problem. Thank God the carberation was still mechanical back then. I predict this Toyota problem will turn out to be electronic/computer source.
cowboy117
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+1,and i agree with the Mustang 2[except for their front clip].I have owned 3 Mustangs and currently have a '95 GT ragtop[and a '92 Ford F250 pickup].Toyotas?Never owned one,never will.
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jframe
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I've owned several Toyotas when I worked for the dealer, but never saw them as any better or any worse than anything else, actually. My heart has always been with Ford for the most part.
venomballistics
Member
the MCU's that comprise a vehicle computer tend to be rather robust devices.
they dont die as easy as a PC with a multi tasking operating system like windows, where many processes are under execution at once.
it is much more likely to be shoddy code loaded to the MCUs that has not taken into account the possibility of certain combinations of events which causes it to jump out of the program looking for instruction to cover the combination and finding itself out of aces.
I play with the Microchip PIC series of MCU's in some of my stuff. So I know that errors happen and things do not always work as advertised in them. Most often errors trace back to code problems and shoddy exception handling.
These should be polished out in the development phase ..... In Toyota's case, I suspect there was a rush to implement drive by wire and testing was cut short to put them on retail lots on time
whitecoyote
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When the US SecTrans "broad brush" advises Toyota owners that their cars are not safe to drive, I have a problem with that. La Hood is a drama queen idiot who can't resist an opportunity for the US Govt to rescue us from the "Yellow Peril Automaker who has done so much to ruin the once-great American auto industry."
When the "Toyota Recall Crisis" eclipses the Haiti and Chile earthquake reporting on the evening TV news, then Yahoo News reports 1.2 million GM cars are recalled and that bit is NOT reported on the evening TV news, I have a problem with that.
When some idiot drama queen Prius owner's car runs away and he can't reach down and pop the transmission selector forward ONE notch into Neutral (it'll go by itself if you nudge it accidentally) and requires a CHP Crown Vic to brake it to a halt all while conveniently being filmed, I have a problem with that.
IMO, the elevation of the Toyota "crisis" to "sky is falling" status by the network news programs is another manifestation of the networks keeping crises in front of the American people -- Toyota has conveniently replaced the H1N1 Virus as the latest "end of the world as we know it" crisis for rhe networks to be able to keep selling commercial time at high $$$ rates for the latest in drugs that treat ailments experienced by aging Americans. We haven't heard about H1N1 lately -- it's killed less than 2000 Americans, yet each year the regular "annual" flu virus usually kills between 24,000 and 40,000 Americans depending on the strain.
Yes, Toyota was slow to react to the sudden acceleration issue. Yes, there is an issue, IMO. But is it systemic and endemic? IMO, no. Not enough Toyota and Lexus vehicles exhibit the problem for it to be a problem "built in" to a component or piece of software. If some component, sensor, or section of code were truly faulty, the problem would be manifesting itself with a much higher level of frequency. The sudden "growth" in the number of Toyota owners who have experienced the problem is (IMO) more a function of their interest in cashing in on one of many likely class action suits.
If I were in the market to replace my 2000 Outback with 126K (just nicely broken in) I'd have no problem buying a Toyota right now. Probably get a killer deal (no pun intended).
As for the media networks (ALL of them) and the stinking, rotten cesspool that is Washington, DC, IMO it is FAR and WELL PAST TIME that we Americans shut OFF our 72" TVs, get off our butts, and vote ANY and ALL incumbents out of office. Words CANNOT begin to describe how "Gosh Darned" disgusted I am with the state of affairs in this country.
I'm done, this post is crossing over into politics and now I have to give myself a Warning.
Noah
When the "Toyota Recall Crisis" eclipses the Haiti and Chile earthquake reporting on the evening TV news, then Yahoo News reports 1.2 million GM cars are recalled and that bit is NOT reported on the evening TV news, I have a problem with that.
When some idiot drama queen Prius owner's car runs away and he can't reach down and pop the transmission selector forward ONE notch into Neutral (it'll go by itself if you nudge it accidentally) and requires a CHP Crown Vic to brake it to a halt all while conveniently being filmed, I have a problem with that.
IMO, the elevation of the Toyota "crisis" to "sky is falling" status by the network news programs is another manifestation of the networks keeping crises in front of the American people -- Toyota has conveniently replaced the H1N1 Virus as the latest "end of the world as we know it" crisis for rhe networks to be able to keep selling commercial time at high $$$ rates for the latest in drugs that treat ailments experienced by aging Americans. We haven't heard about H1N1 lately -- it's killed less than 2000 Americans, yet each year the regular "annual" flu virus usually kills between 24,000 and 40,000 Americans depending on the strain.
Yes, Toyota was slow to react to the sudden acceleration issue. Yes, there is an issue, IMO. But is it systemic and endemic? IMO, no. Not enough Toyota and Lexus vehicles exhibit the problem for it to be a problem "built in" to a component or piece of software. If some component, sensor, or section of code were truly faulty, the problem would be manifesting itself with a much higher level of frequency. The sudden "growth" in the number of Toyota owners who have experienced the problem is (IMO) more a function of their interest in cashing in on one of many likely class action suits.
If I were in the market to replace my 2000 Outback with 126K (just nicely broken in) I'd have no problem buying a Toyota right now. Probably get a killer deal (no pun intended).
As for the media networks (ALL of them) and the stinking, rotten cesspool that is Washington, DC, IMO it is FAR and WELL PAST TIME that we Americans shut OFF our 72" TVs, get off our butts, and vote ANY and ALL incumbents out of office. Words CANNOT begin to describe how "Gosh Darned" disgusted I am with the state of affairs in this country.
I'm done, this post is crossing over into politics and now I have to give myself a Warning.
Noah
I-68 in Western Maryland. The sign says "Runaway Truck Ramp." Wish I had $20 for every time I drove that section of road . . .
Noah
whitecoyote
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I agree with you 100%. But wouldn't it be easier for the drama queen to turn the car off, and coast off the roadway
That whole episode stinks! I would like to see the drama queen take a polygraph.
