This is not a drill!: S&W 4586's at Bud's for $259 delivered!!!

mdwiese said:
Well, got my 4586TSW today and first impressions before firing and cleaning were not so favorable. Whoever had this for a duty weapon must not have given much thought to maintenance. Light rust on the nite sights, a gummy sticky substance on the trigger guard, bad residue and other build up, light freckling under the hogue grips, and the barrel crown looked uneven. The magazines were unbelievably filthy, and one had some pitting near the lips. The ejector spring seems like the tension is a little on the light side.

The upside was it shot to point of aim, with a six a clock hold, and the trigger pull was long but smooth. It seemed accurate enough for my purposes. After cleaning it up the nite sights glowed brightly and the internals looked pretty fresh. The extractor looks like it is in good shape and has strong tension. The frame to slide fit is very tight, almost zero play.

I experienced one FTRTB with Federal 230 grn FMJ, possibly due to op error, overall dirty condition of the weapon when fired, or weak recoil spring; maybe all three.

I plan on replacing the grips with the factory palm swell style and doing a light scotch brite and polish to the slide. Also will replace the recoil spring.

Overall I think my $299 Smith 45 is a keeper!
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Send that badboy in to Smith & Wesson, they'll check it over and I believe replace springs and any other worn parts. They'll also attach a rail at no charge and may even give it a bead-blasting if you ask nicely. They did all these things for me on another TSW variant I sent in back in February, didn't charge a thing for all the services, and had it back to me in one week. My 4586TSW should hopefully be arriving in Springfield today for the above mentioned services.

Did you get the matching box with your pistol? If so, what is the Special Order #?

I agree with you that whomever was issued the 4586TSW I got shouldn't be allowed a duty pistol if they're that reckless with tax-payer provided items, I'd hate to see how they treat their squad cars.
 
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These dirty guns surprise me. If I was a LEO with a duty pistol. that might be called upon to defend my life, it's gonna be clean all of the time.
 
I got my 4553TSW from Buds yesterday. Add me to the list of happy customers. No box or docs, shipped inside an envelope in a UPS box.

Mine is about 85% outside. Some worn anodizing around the trigger guard, back of the tang, and edge of the frame below the dustcover. No major dings anywhere.

Inside, it is 95% easy. The frame rails are like new. Dual recoil spring appears to be new. Night sights are a little dim, but not bad and easily useable.

The really good news for me is that whoever owned this 4553 had a trigger job done, and the barrel crowned by someone who really knew what they were doing. The crown is equal to that on my PC CQB 45 prototype and better than the crown on my PC Shorty 45 MKII !!

I ran 50 rounds through it yesterday afternoon between thunderstorms. 100% reliability. Didn't shoot it for accuracy yet. I'll get some targets and do that this weekend. Light weight, compact 45 with night sights for $290 OTD? Color me happy! ;) Regards 18DAI.
 
When I called S&W about my 4586 serial # and date made, I mentioned what a mistake it was for them not to make the 3rd gen anymore. He said they still make them for law enforcement on a special order basis.
 
18DAI said:
Dual recoil spring appears to be new. .
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What's this about dual recoil springs? I have this gun and three 10mms and they all have but one spring. Is this an aftermarket add on?

I lied about my night sights, they're really bright. I never saw this before. It's cool. I don't think I'll use them much though.
 
Philip Marlowe said:
When I called S&W about my 4586 serial # and date made, I mentioned what a mistake it was for them not to make the 3rd gen anymore. He said they still make them for law enforcement on a special order basis.
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This is true, only if your department is currently in the 3rd Gen's. If not, no dice

We tried to get them =(
 
Hi everyone,
I'm the OP who started this thread nearly two weeks ago.
I've really enjoyed reading about everyone's different 4586 purchased from Bud's. I'm quite surprised by the condition of some of these pistols. You guys who got super clean guns need to go buy lotto tickets because I think you've used up all your luck for the year. I figured Bud's was blowing these out so cheap because they had reached the bottom of the barrel. Apparently for some of you that wasn't so!
So I finally received MY 4586 on Friday from my dealer. Took a week to get it since I paid with a money order. Good news, I received a blue box and manual, bad news, the box doesn't match the pistol. My 4586 has been well used, with a good bit of rattle in the slide to frame fit. The pistol was quite dirty on the outside, and the feed ramp has a lot of marks on it. Inside the situation was a bit better, and seemed to be much cleaner. What looks like rust is actually dried out grease. If I didn't know better, I'd swear it was old dried out WD-40. It was sticky and was all over the action and barrel hood. I'd love to know what the hell the Newport News PD was using to lube their guns. Worse part is all the scratches and gouges on the right side of the gun. The front of the slide around the muzzle has actually been rounded smooth and shiny from continuous contact with something (holster?). Seems to be much more than holster wear. I'm still satisfied for what I have in the gun, which is about $300 after transfer fees. Had I received this gun after paying the original $350 plus transfer I might have been a bit pissed. The trigger is decent, but nothing special. It's a bit heavier than I'd expected, but I'm totally spoiled by Beretta D spring pistols such as the 92D and 96D. Now THAT is a soft smooth DAO trigger!
I absolutely LOVE how thin the pistol is! I really like how it feels in the hand, thin but huge at the same time. It's the same size as my SIG 220, but just looks much larger than the SIG. Feels good in a IWB holster, thanks to the paper thin grips. Haven't shot it yet, too busy at the moment to make it to the range. Here are some photos.

I'd be happy to swap someone their Blue box if the box I have matches your pistol. Let me know.
 

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Well Dasa, looks like your pistol was at BP ground zero in the Gulf of Mexico, or it was dropped in a spittoon.

Is that a serial number of TDU41? seems too short.
 
May I ask for suggestions on replacement sights? I kind of like the look of the stock sights, and the pick up, but, they are a bit ground down. :( New grips are on the way. My IWB fits like a glove. It is still worth every penny. And my FFL charged me 20.00. To me a bargain.
 
Philip Marlowe said:
Well Dasa, looks like your pistol was at BP ground zero in the Gulf of Mexico, or it was dropped in a spittoon.

Is that a serial number of TDU41? seems too short.
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I'm hoping she shoots better than she looks! ;)
The serial is actually TDU41XX, I cloned out the last two digits.
 
Wow Dasa, your gun is really "rough". Mine almost looks new compared to yours. I got no box. or anything else with mine, but it's in a lot better shape, so I'm happy. I used a scotchbrite and reduced, but didn't eliminate the road rash on the slide. It would take a bead blasting to really make the slide perfect, but it's not too bad now. I have shot it twice, function has been perfect, and it hits almost exactly at POA. The slide has a slight rattle if I shake the gun violently, but it's not bad at all. I will send the slide off to Trijicon to relamp the night sites, and maybe ask S&W what it would be to have them look it over and put a rail on it. It will make a nice house gun with a laser and light combo on it.
 
This is just a curiosity question. What does the notch do that I see on the barrel ramp? Comparing mine and my buddy's 4586, his notch is more pronounced than on mine. Odd how it is only on one side.:confused:
 

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I picked up my 4586 from the FFL today and am pretty happy with it. It has some holster wear and a couple of light scratches that you can't feel with a fingernail but no pitting or rust. It came with a decent set of factory grips that feel good in my hand. The tigger feels great to me as I am use to shooting Smith revolvers in DA. It also came with the correct box and papers and the internals have some wear as would be expected on a service pistol that has seen some use but not abuse. It is also very clean but dry as a bone. The only problem is it only came with one magazine. I have already emailed Derek so with luck he will send me one. If not it's still a great deal. I will try to post pictures later.
 
Well.... After putting a couple hundred rounds through it, I can officially say that I do not like DAO's and this gun will be sold or traded very soon. On the plus side, this gun will eat anything I feed it. From very cheap Russian stuff to expensive JHP's. It's accurate and it fits my hands very well.

I just can't get past the feel of the DAO. Too bad. It's a nice gun otherwise.
 
Wishoot said:
Well.... After putting a couple hundred rounds through it, I can officially say that I do not like DAO's and this gun will be sold or traded very soon. On the plus side, this gun will eat anything I feed it. From very cheap Russian stuff to expensive JHP's. It's accurate and it fits my hands very well.

I just can't get past the feel of the DAO. Too bad. It's a nice gun otherwise.
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DAO does take some getting use too but after a while you don't even think about it. It took me a full summer of shooting DAO before I was really comfortable with it but I also feel it is the best type of gun for CCW. You should have little trouble getting your more back.
 
I'm going to give this gun one last try before I sell or trade it. I just ordered new trigger and recoil springs from Wolff. Hopefully it will lighten the DAO trigger pull somewhat without sacrificing it's dependability.

It's worth a try...
 
I have a model 4553 coming probably today. I hope it is close to the 4586 I got condition wise. I was lucky the first time.
 
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