My brother wants my fathers guns.

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My mother and father both declined in health about five years ago. I built my house next to them to look after them. my parents were poor, we lived below the poverty level until I was an adult and was able to support them. They had no type of insurance or savings to help out. I never thought about all the countless hours I spent looking after my parents It wasn't a chore to me I loved my parents and didn't care at all to do anything they asked. Although they never asked much. My mother had copd and chf and gradually her breathing became so bad that I put a button next to her bed so all she had to do was push it and it would set off an alarm at my house and set off a pager that I carried as well. The last 2 years she was alive she went into respiratory arrest several times. I would hear the alarm and tear off through the darkness from my door to theirs and assist her ventilation so she could breathe until the ambulance arrived. I am a paramedic and my coworkers always knew just where to come it became a weekly thing. I was actually working on the ambulance the night my wife called me crying and told me she thought my mother was dead. I placed the cardiac monitor on my own mother confirmed she had passed away. after the funeral my father moved in with us. He was just beginning to show the first signs of alzheimers. The alzheimers quickly became worse over the next three years. My father lost his mind, but was still much stronger and mobile than most eighty something year old men. He would get out of the house and try to wonder off. My wife would have to heard him back in if I was at work and struggle with him all night long. He would sleep all day, but when the sun went down it was on. We neither one got any sleep for those years and nearly went bankrupt because of all the work I had to miss. He also busted the windows out of my house and broke my furniture. Ofcourse he meant no harm he was confused and lost in his own mind. Eventually I had no choice but to put him in a nursing home and spent the next year and a half visiting him almost every day. I wasn't alone my sister helped almost as much as my wife did. It was very hard on both of them when my parents passed away. Now let's talk about my brother. He is the reason for this rant anyway. We split my mothers funeral cost among us and paid it, well most of it. For some reason my chunk was bigger than the rest and i'm still working on my part. When my father passed away in march we decided to split his funeral also. My brother hasn,t paid a thing and today he said he wasn't going to pay a thing until I give him my fathers guns. He may have seen my parents 4 times in the last 5 years and he sure didn,t help my sister or my wife and I care for our parents not one time. Now he wants to take my fathers guns when he never lifted a finger to help us when we needed it most. I am sure something similar has happened to some one on this forum. A fathers guns are always wanted by their children. What would you guys do. Thanks for tolerating my rant.
 
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Even though your brother sounds like an ass, the proper thing to do is to split any possessions between all siblings, just as soon as they cough up their share of the expenses of the burials and any other outstanding bills. Have an auction for any possessions/property neither of you want and then split up the money. Keep good records! After this he can't bad mouth you with any credibility, and you will have peace of mind. JMHO.
Steve
 
I think I would tell him that dad had given me the guns and if he had been around a little more, it might have been different. As far as giving them to him or he won't pay his share of the funeral expenses, I'd tell him I will sell them to pay for the funeral before I gave in to his blackmail. (but I'm a jerk)
 
I'd get those guns and keep them. Forget about his share of the expenses, he sounds like a real loser, he'd probably just pawn them anyway.
 
The first question I would ask is what kind of guy is your brother............a loser..........total slacker...........decent kind of guy.........lives near by..........etc., etc..

The next question I would ask is would he sell or pawn any or all of the guns? If so then "not only no but hell no" would I give him the guns.

If your brother is a decent guy that would not sell off the guns but lives some distance away and couldn't be there to help with your parents then that would season my answer.

I might possibly give him one of the guns I didn't really like or have an attchment to, to see what he would do with it and to try and keep peace in the family.

If the answers are what I think they are going to be I would buy a good safe and bolt it to the floor or rent a safe deposit box and store the handguns in the deposit box.

A friend of mine had something similar happen in his family and his dope smoking scum bag brother broke into his house and stole everything that wasn't nailed down. The police didn't really want to get involved in a "family matter" so my buddy took out his own type of retribution....no futher problems.

Some time you just have to come to an understanding with your siblings.
 
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I am sorry for your loss and it seems you certainly deserve anything of dollar value or more importantly cherished items. I may be wrong but I would only give him what you want ,or think he deserves. Having said that you have to think about what your relationship is or will be depending on your actions. I think what you did for your parents is something to be proud of and you will always know YOU did the right thing. Thank you for the post . Joe
 
From a financial standpoint, it depends on how much the guns are worth. If they are worth twice the amount of the funeral costs (or, I guess 1/3 more than the funeral costs if your sister is also paying into those expenses), then I'd keep the guns. You could either sell his share of the guns' value to pay his share of the expenses, and then tell your brother 'thanks' for helping to pay your share, and of course, no guns for you... Or, you could keep them and just not expect any payment from your brother, and again, tell him that he has paid his share through the value of the guns.

If they are not worth enough to cover his share of the expenses, then you've got two options. First, split them up with him, with the understanding that he pays his share of the funeral expenses. Or, second, if they mean that much to you, you keep the guns, and eat his share of the funeral expenses.

Any way you go, sounds like he is not going to be happy, or fair minded about all of this, so you'll probably have hard feelings no matter what you do. This is why a very good will is important.

It does not sound like he is going to recognize the value of all of the effort that you, your wife, and sister put into taking care of your folks; hopefully, this is where God comes in... Sorry about the loss of your parents, and good luck.
 
Pay for the funeral yourself and keep the guns. Tell him you sold them for the cash, took his share of the funeral out and give him $50.00.
 
This all is very hard for someone else to judge, meaning I would like to hear your brothers side of the story. I had the very same experiance with my dad as you did. I have a older sister. We both lived in california, the folks in wisconsin. Mom died in 1993. Dad, with alzheimers in 2,003 at 90. I had retired in 2000 and dad started getting bad with alzheimers about the same time. I went back and lived with dad and took care of him untill the rest home then, convalsant home. Both I and my sister shared the inheritance equal, I got the guns and she took other stuff. We never fought over anything.
Now I will say this. My sister got in scientology way back in the late 50s when it was brand new. It tore my folks up as they are heavy christians. There was a family split over it for many years. My mother made it her lifes work to learn all she could about scientology and preach to everyone who would listen, against it. Dad wanted to be fair. He knew that she would (and did) give everything to scientology after he died. I also knew she would. The folks both knew what would happen and still made the will out equal. I respect that. All the final work piled on me just like you. It took several years of my life to handel dad with no help at all from sis. Today she is very poor and I am doing okay. She not only gave her inheritance, but everything her and her husband now dead, ever made to the cult. I know your situation is somewhat different. Here is the rest of the story: I hauled dads guns home. They wouldnt go in my already full safe. About one week later my house was broke into and I lost about 6 of the 8!!
I wish you better luck!
 
HI;
I assume there is negative Will.
All property should be shared by the siblings after a expert assigned a value to each piece of property.
The main question is the Firearms. Put three numbers #1, #2, and #3 in a hat. Each sibling by age should draw a number from the hat. Then #1 chooses a Firearm, Then #2, then #3. then start again until all Firearms have been chosen. Then offer to buy each Firearm from the other sibling for the assessed value.
Even if your Brother is a "Jerk" your Parents loved Him as much as They loved you and your Sister. In the future you will be glad you didn't leave your Brother out.
Jimmy
 
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I went through it with my sister. Had to pay her to attend our father's funeral. She was there but very drunk. Immediately after the service, she wanted me to hand over his things. She had not seen or spoken to him in yrs.

I told her I was the one that took care of him and drove him to medical appts and such. I was the one that paid the funeral bill. Yet I walked a succession through the afternoon of the funeral and in return for her signing all over to me, I gave her my father's Cadillac (8yrs old) and $250.

I never saw her again. A nurse at a hospital in FL called me to tell me my sister passed away and had instructed them to call me when the end came. She was cremated and the ashes tossed in the ocean. I did not even go there and neither did her grown kids.

Keep the guns. Pay for the funeral. You will come out ahead in the long run. He will keep coming back for more as long as you hand things over as he wants.
 
Oldman45 is charitable.

I'm not in these situations.

Unless you are very, very certain that your father would want it otherwise, tell your brother to pound sand.


Bullseye
 
i'm sorry for your loss. Dealing with sibs like your brother is difficult. I think that you will look back on these hard times and your commitment to their care with pride. It speaks to your integrity and to your brother's lack. And I suspect that these firearms are more of sentimental rather than cash value.

I would tell your brother that Dad had given them to you years ago and if he had bothered to be "around", he would know that. And then remind him that he still has an obligation to the final expenses. He should disappear faced with the bill.
I would not compromise myself under normal circumstances but this a**hole of the first water deserves a response equal to himself!
 
You didn't mention any legal guardianship or probate. I assume that there was none because of the small size of the estate. You may need to consult an attorney to make sure everything is done properly. You built next to them so I guess they owned the property. The state may come after the house if he was on medicaid for very long. If there is any doubt--including outstanding bills or claims by your brother--you could lose out again.
As far as the guns--go to the local pawn shop and buy three of the cheapest beaters in the store and send them to him freight collect and he has to pay the transfer fees (if any). Tell him the funeral home expects payment by the end of the month.
Sorry for your troubles.
 
if i may offer my humble 2 cents i would say this to your brother you will get the guns from me WHEN YOU PRY THEM FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS! but that is just this very young mans humble 2 cents
 
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HI;
I assume there is negative Will.
All property should be shared by the siblings after a expert assigned a value to each piece of property.
The main question is the Firearms. Put three numbers #1, #2, and #3 in a hat. Each sibling by age should draw a number from the hat. Then #1 chooses a Firearm, Then #2, then #3. then start again until all Firearms have been chosen.
Jimmy

My wife's family did it this way for the contents of their mom's entire house when she had to go into the nursing home. It worked great, and no one felt slighted. Hopefully the rest of your dad's estate, including the property and house is not an issue. I would also talk to your sister beforehand- make sure she understands that if she doesn't want them, she could give her choices to you after the split. I am sorry for your loss and the unrest in the family.
 
Been there, done that, bought the shirt.

If you are in command, and I assume you would be, command.

He still owes you money, that's unconditional and he's breaking the contract between you. Screw him!

Plenty of good ideas on this thread so far. I favor total payment of monies owed in advance of any further benevolence on your part.

Most likely he'll put up a fuss and doesn't value you as a human, let alone his brother. Take a similar stance.

You'll do well to be rid of him.

My sibling was similar in operation, take take take, no give, no help, cruel.

I cut her off at the knees, seeing as how she opened up the bidding, I showed her how it was done correctly.

Mess with the bull, get the horns.

We see little of each other and perhaps it's best that way.

All this at the time of greatest sorrow, the vultures make themselves known.

Money doesn't change people, it reveals them.
 
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