My brother wants my fathers guns.

My brother and I divided up Dad's guns equally when Dad's Altzhiemers went really bad. We made out a list of what we wanted and compared lists, they were pretty close. My sister only wanted a cheap one with family ties, grandpa's single shot 12 guage. When the folks passed what little was left was divided 3 ways. The grandkids divided up the household items. One child, not mine, wanted way beyond her share. When Dad, a WW2 vet passed, he had a military funeral. The same spoiled child, again not mine, demanded the flag. I took it and gave it to my son, the only grandson, Dad fought in North Africa, my son was a Marine who fought in the original desert storm. I told all the flag would stay with my son. Greedy whined but it was over. My kids took very little from their grandparents house, they said this felt like stealing from their grandparents and made them feel like vultures. Yet 2 nieces kept grabbing and loading, the same 2 who never helped when mom and dad were alive. After we divided the guns moms garage door broke she asked if we would each sell a coule of non family guns and giver her the money, I came up with half, my brother did not sell one gun nor come up with his share, my sister paid his. This is normally the way he is, I was so suprised the original gun divide and house sale went so well. Yep it was his daughters who took most every thing out of the house. Even though they looked like vultures I guess they didn't feel that way.
 
Jimmy, great wisdom shown there buddy!
Steve (a transplanted ex-Tennessean):cool:


HI;
I assume there is negative Will.
All property should be shared by the siblings after a expert assigned a value to each piece of property.
The main question is the Firearms. Put three numbers #1, #2, and #3 in a hat. Each sibling by age should draw a number from the hat. Then #1 chooses a Firearm, Then #2, then #3. then start again until all Firearms have been chosen. Then offer to buy each Firearm from the other sibling for the assessed value.
Even if your Brother is a "Jerk" your Parents loved Him as much as They loved you and your Sister. In the future you will be glad you didn't leave your Brother out.
Jimmy
 
Exactly why people need wills/trusts and estate planning. I wonder why no one in this family planned for the eventual loss of both parents.
 
Pay for the funeral yourself and keep the guns. Tell him you sold them for the cash, took his share of the funeral out and give him $50.00.

I second this. Or, if you have the right equipment (saw or access to a junkyard shredder) cut the guns up into little pieces:eek:, put them in a box, gift wrap it and hand it over.:cool:
 
The thing is - There are legal issues to contend with (probate law).

Hopefully the folks that are advising you to commit fraud are either just kidding, or have had a few to many adult beverages before sitting down to the keyboard ;)

Be the better man and do the right (legal) thing.
Who gets what is not up to you or your bro or sis. The estate must be settled BEFORE y'all can divide up the guns or whatever else one may want.
 
There isn't an estate to speak of. I bought my parents home and property from them in 1991. They needed money. They lived there rent free till my mother passed away, then my dad moved in with me in my home that I built on the same property. After my parents death their home was gone through by my other family members taking almost everything and leaving the trash and worthless junk for me to deal with. The only reason the guns arn,t already gone is because they are in my safe.
 
I know of one family where the son bought the farm for xx dollars. After the parents were gone one sibling thought he should pay the estate the appreciated value xxx, because they would have got more if the parents had kept it.
I wish you peace and harmony in whatever you decide.
 
The thing is - There are legal issues to contend with (probate law).

Hopefully the folks that are advising you to commit fraud are either just kidding, or have had a few to many adult beverages before sitting down to the keyboard ;)

Be the better man and do the right (legal) thing.
Who gets what is not up to you or your bro or sis. The estate must be settled BEFORE y'all can divide up the guns or whatever else one may want.

Respectfully, you are only partially correct. A succession does not give away the mementos or heirlooms. It directs a person or persons to be able to get rid of or divide real estate, vehicles or other things with a title and power to close accounts. It does not determine ownership of the mantle clock, the family bible or any personal possessions. While I have never written a succession for someone, I have had lawyers I work with draw up and file them for my mother, my father, my mother in law, my father in law and a grandmother. While a couple were very lengthy (and costly), not one mentioned any thing other than what was titled to the deceased and the items like bank accounts.

Family meetings were held to see who wanted what. Often it got emotional and/or heated but it all worked out. In three of the successions I was named as the Executor and as fortune would have it, I got the guns by family meetings. Dividing the things set forth in the successions went a lot easier than thought.
 
Sounds to me like your parents were blessed with two wonderful children. The third, not so much. We went through this a couple years ago and it was ugly but I did what was right. Honor the wishes of your parents, either written or as you know they would be, out of respect for their memory. You owe the gun-grabbing money-grubber what he earned...nothing.

Bob
 
I went through some very trying times over the last 7 years and as a result I am a much harder person to the takers of this world.

You can't make your brother care, so don't try. You are a giver. Your brother is a taker. It will never be what you had hoped it would be.

You know what I would do.
 
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Greetings,

I am sorry for you loss, and that you did not have total family support in helping to make the last years of their lives as comfortable and easy as possible. As to your brother, I would tell him to go pound sand, and that you will only SHARE your father's guns IF your brother coughs up his share of the burial expenses, and any other incidental expenses that had to be paid.

It has always galled me that, in every family, it seems there is always SOMEBODY that has a terminal case of "the wants and gimmee's", but never seems to be around when it comes time to pony up and help with the bad stuff.

Folks like this deserve nothing, as far as I'm concerned. But, again, fair is fair, and if your bro will pay his share of the costs, then and only then would I share your father's guns with him. And YOU should divy them up, too, so that things turn out equitably and fair. My two cents...... Best of luck, and God Bless you for being a man and taking care of business when it needed to be done!!

Every Good Wish,
Doc
 
I have been down this road several times with my mother-in-law and her worthless greedy sons aka my brothers in law.She passed away 2 yrs ago.Her second oldest son had power of attorney while she was alive,control of her finances,checkbook etc.The day funeral arrangements were made the funeral director asked who was to sign for the balance of the bill to which he replied"Power of Attorney ends at death" and walked out.My wife and I and her sister are dealing with the rest.This may seem harsh but the sooner your brother is a tiny speck in your rear view mirror the better off you will be.There are a lot of takers in this world and he sounds like one of them.His sense of entitlement is sickening and I don't really believe you need him for anything.Do what you need to do and in this case listen to your brain more than your heart.I apologize if this offends anyone,but after trying to please all concerned in these situations I have realized that it just isn't worth it.Good luck to you.
 
Some very excellent advice here. I would keep the guns until he pays his part of the bill and the check clears. Then I would give him one or two guns that I didn't want.

Charlie
 
A summary:

Your brother did nothing in support or comfort of your parents. You were always there.

Now why do you feel that your brother is"entitled" to anything? You were there. You did everything you could to help your parents. Keep the guns, pay the final expenses, and move on with your life. Settle with your sister so each of you is satisfied. You will NEVER satisfy your greedy gimme brother.

I know because I have been there, done that, and sadly seen it happen again and again in other families. People don't change, just the family names.
 
Nothing my parents had was/is worth fighting my brother over. Your brother sounds selfish and greedy, but the best piece of advice I've read here so far is "what do you think your father would have wanted you to do ?"

Answer that as honestly as you can and proceed. The man in the mirror and your conscience before the Almighty are the only things you have to answer to.
 
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