NY Gun Laws Problem

[RussianCosmonaut]

I just wanted to surface a point made in the assault weapons ban in NY. As you can see below, one of the points made is that it can NOT have a telescoping stock if it is a semiautomatic rifle that has a detachable magazine. This would apply to my Smith and Wesson MP 15-22, the reason why it has a pin in the stock to make it fixed. This aspect of the law disturbs me the most and I am wondering what idiotic politicians put this particular law through. A telescoping stock only changes the position of the stock very slightly, maybe and inch or two, some are even less. How does this make it an assault weapon. It's not like I am going to be able to hide it in my jacket any better with two inches shaved off. Plus, I really enjoy telescoping stocks because they allow the shooter to adjust the position of the stock. This feature is great for smaller children who have a smaller frame and would need to make the rifle a bit shorter to fit them. I have coped well with the other laws, but out of all them, I think this one was not thought out very well.
Also can anyone tell me what number (ii) means. Does this basically include all pistol stocks (like on my MP 15-22), that is what I am assuming .


"Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an
ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the
following characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
flash suppressor;
(v) a grenade launcher; or

 

[ladder13]

You can thank Gov Pataki. When the federal AWB sunsetted, he decided to make it permanent.
(ii)= just as written, you got it right

 

[Beemer-mark]

The purpose of most laws today (and this is in Atlas Shrugged) is to have a reason to arrest someone. It is not to protect society or punish the evil. The laws exist for the government to arrest people that they need a reason to arrest.

 

[moonclip]

You can thank Gov Pataki. When the federal AWB sunsetted, he decided to make it permanent....

Equally to blame were his fellow RINOS in the NYS Senate. Most of whom went belly up and turned their backs on the gun owners who helped many of them get elected.

......moon

 

[Snowbandit]

New York sounds like a good place to be from........... way away from!

 

[ladder13]

Equally to blame were his fellow RINOS in the NYS Senate. Most of whom went belly up and turned their backs on the gun owners who helped many of them get elected.

......moon

Correct Moon, I forgot that part.

 

[moonclip]

There is nothing good about the AWB. Period. End of story.

......moon

 

[RussianCosmonaut]

There is nothing good about the AWB. Period. End of story.

......moon

So I guess you want to get a grenade launcher then.

 

[Cyrano]

I have a VB grenade, inert, wouldn't mind having a VB grenade launcher. It would be interesting to see how far I could make that sucker fly.

 

[moonclip]

So I guess you want to get a grenade launcher then.

Why not? Unlike you, I find it difficult to surrender the very freedoms so many have fought and died for. Don't want one? Don't buy it. But don't tell me I can't.

......moon

 

[lougotzzz]

Why not? Unlike you, I find it difficult to surrender the very freedoms so many have fought and died for. Don't want one? Don't buy it. But don't tell me I can't.

......moon

AMEN.....

This attitude is the very reason NYers have bad gun laws. I lived in NY for 38 years. PA is paradise compared to NY.

All gun laws are no good. I am of the mindset that there should be no gun laws. When you commit a crime with a gun then you are charged. Until then i dont care what color,shape,size ect.

Its the person not the object.

 

[OKFC05]

The only way you are gonna get your hands on a grenade launcher is if you join the military or are a criminal looking to do some serious damage.

Or live in a free state that does not restrict ownership of NFA weapons properly registered with BATFE as Destructive Devices, such as grenade launchers, mortors, cannons, etc.
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-2.pdf (See section 2.1.8.2)

2.1.8.2 Large caliber weapons.
The majority of weapons covered by this portion of the destructive device definition are large
caliber military weapons such as rocket launchers, mortars and cannons.

I was always amazed by the attitude of most people in NY, MA, NJ that I met when traveling to defense contractor plants there. Not only did they not know how most of the rest of the country lives, they accepted restrictive state laws as normal.

Everyone who wants to own an NFA Destructive Device is not a criminal, and we resent ill-informed "gun friends" who say such things.

Now just say you're sorry you did not know and won't say it again, and all will be forgiven.

 

[Sebago Son]

Well Said Moon....

Why not? Unlike you, I find it difficult to surrender the very freedoms so many have fought and died for. Don't want one? Don't buy it. But don't tell me I can't.

......moon

A Big AMEN from here....

Drew

 

[zercool]

Don't get me wrong, I believe in keeping our gun rights as much as you do. Thus the reason why I started this forum topic to vent my hate towards the NY assault weapons ban. So don't go pointing fingers at me saying that I don't support protecting my rights and freedoms.
Besides, before this assault weapons ban in NY you wouldn't have been able to buy a grenade launcher in the first place. The law just simply reiterates that point. The only way you are gonna get your hands on a grenade launcher is if you join the military or are a criminal looking to do some serious damage.

Instead of venting your hate here, redirect it into something constructive and start calling and writing your Assemblyman and State Senator.

And please, understand the laws you're griping about. As mentioned above, a grenade launcher is an NFA "destructive device" and is legal in many states.

 

[2152hq]

It'll be a while before NYS allows NFA for it's subjects.
It would be a giant leap for them just to allow the legal sale of Strike-Any-Where matches,,,and sparklers,, to the masses.

 

[RussianCosmonaut]

It'll be a while before NYS allows NFA for it's subjects.
It would be a giant leap for them just to allow the legal sale of Strike-Any-Where matches,,,and sparklers,, to the masses.

The only way you are going to do that is if you remove NYC from the rest of NY, which would probably help people in upstate in a lot more ways than just gun laws (reduce more taxes, laws, and restrictions).

 

[Steve_NEPhila]

New York is pretty terrible when it comes to firearms laws. The whole idea of it being a felony to touch a handgun unless you have a license is absurd as far as I am concerned, but it must be for our own safety, right?!? (that was sarcasm)

As far as assault weapons go, here is the reasoning in this linked to youtube clip... you really have to see it to believe it:

YouTube - What is a barrel shroud?

or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ&NR=1

Note, this female politician in both videos happens to be from New York!

 

[stumper]

I ran into the NYS permit thing some years back when I was thinking of taking a job upstate. One of my trips up I went into a gun show and stopped at a table that had a nice old S&W. I asked the fellow if he minded if I took a look at it and he asked me if I had a permit. I was kind of puzzled at first and said, well yea, I have a concealed carry permit but it's from NC - but I also have a C&R FFL. He couldn't let me even look at the gun (and it was a C&R).

I also did a little digging on how to bring my collection into the state if i were to move there ........ All of my handguns would have had to transfer into NYS through a dealer (I could only imagine the cost to do this at $20 or more per gun). I could not even apply for a permit until I lived in the state for 6 months and then it could take another 6 months to get the permit, assuming the local judge approved it! All the while my handguns are sitting at a dealer - not even sure if I would even get the permit.

Needless to say I'm still in NC ....

 

[RussianCosmonaut]

New York is pretty terrible when it comes to firearms laws. The whole idea of it being a felony to touch a handgun unless you have a license is absurd as far as I am concerned, but it must be for our own safety, right?!? (that was sarcasm)

As far as assault weapons go, here is the reasoning in this linked to youtube clip... you really have to see it to believe it:

YouTube - What is a barrel shroud?

or this one:

YouTube - Heat Seeking Bullets

Note, this female politician in both videos happens to be from New York!

LMAO! These videos are golden. Exactly what I expected from the politicians who make these laws and try to restrict gun laws even further. I think if you even want to try to ban our gun laws you should know what the heck your banning in the first place. Obviously this lady, as well as many other politicians, have no clue. I also like how the lady said you could get HEAT SEEKING bullets for the .50cal. Also, contrary to what they said, I would love to use a .50cal for some long range clean kills and recreational long range shooting.

 

[2152hq]

Note, this female politician in both videos happens to be from New York!

That's Assembly Woman Carolyn McCarthy from a down state district (Long Island (?).

Her jump start into politics was the '93 L.I Railroad multiple shooting. Her husband & son were 2 of the victims. Husband died,,son wounded and recovered.

She ran for State Assembly first in '96 I believe. She says she got into politics because of the shootings. Says she will do everything she can to heavily regulate and/or ban firearms.
Sympathy vote most likely played a role in the first election bid , perhaps the next.
But by now I gather they just like her alot down there and keep re-electing her.

Her name is on just about every anti gun bill that comes out of that legislative body either as a sponsor or the author.
Just got re-elected this Nov I believe. I wouldn't doubt if she trys for a seat in the US Congress soon.