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I took my daughter to chuck-e-cheese yesterday and as I was leaving I noticed a "No firearms, violaters will be treated as trespassers" sign.:eek: I took a photo and asked for the home office number. The manager followed me out and asked if he could help. He noticed me taking a pic of the sign and wanted to address my concerns. I told him I was a ccw holder and that I have never seen that sign in all of the times that my daughter and I had been there. He said it was new policy from corporate. I told him a gun free zone is a pretty dangerous place per the stats and by putting that sign there and not allowing citizens to carry he has put myself and my daughter at risk and that I would no longer be a patron and to cancel her birthday party that is in January. (The wife may kabosh that but I did throw it out there). He was very polite and gave me his card. I called their home office (in Texas) and lodged my complaint.
Today I called and spoke to the ISP firearms division to see if that was legal for a business to do so. The officer, said it was legal for the business to do that and that it is no big deal and stated that he himself does not carry off duty. He stated he lives and shops in an area where he doesn't feel the need to do so and that anytime he is on duty and sees someone carrying openly he challenges them for their permit and that he and his family will leave a business if they see someone carrying and he is off duty. The officer said I can choose to go elsewhere with my business but that a business has a right to refuse anyone that comes in as long as not for race,color,creed,etc..
I had never saw these signs in Southern Indiana businesses before and this is the third one I have seen in the last year. Value City furniture, the Jeff Library and now Chuck E Cheese. You would see them in Kentucky (Louisville mostly) in alot of businesses but not North of the river so much.

It was an eye opener and I am probaly more bummed than I should be but I don't like being blindsided like that. I do not consider myself a lawbreaker, yet I spent one hour unknowingly trespassing while eating pizza with my daughter.:o

Indiuckian
 
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sipowicz said:
Have your party at Chuck-e-Norris...they allow guns and have much more fun stuff for kids. The groin kick pit is a blast...my little Dino loves it!
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You do know that spiderman and the hulk both wear Chuck Norris PJ's to bed.:D

I am LMAO. Thank You Sir. Chuck E Norris. Now that is some funny stuff. You are quick sir. A buddy of mine is quick that way.
 
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Maybe I'm way off base here but I think I would have some reservations about the police officer that made those statements, doesn't carry off-duty and seems to harbor some anti gun sentiment!
 
Those signs are so misguided at so many levels - anyone here could go on and on about inanimate objects, how someone who means harm won't care about a sign, etc.

As for the officer ... of course he's anti-gun. The misfortune of the police department is that they have to draw from the human race. Cops are like any other civilians. Some of them are gunnies, some aren't.


ETA: No. I'm not anti cop. Quite the opposite actually.
 
Its true, businesses can refuse service based on anything, including concealed weapons. Starbucks does it all the time. You need to make sure you don't print or show when you're buying your eggnog late or you will be asked to leave, specially here in the pacific north west.

Sometimes its even worse... the wont tell you anything but they will call the cops drectly. Since most starbucks employees are hippie-liberal young kids, their phone call will sound like this" "there is a MAN with a GUN here!".

As you can imagine, this statement pants an entirely different picture. Long story shorts.... as you are walking out sipping on your mocha, 4 cops are drawing down on you from behind their cruisers.

.....true story, happened to a friend of a friend ;)
 
They don't seem to realize all these signs do is keep the legal, licensed and law abiding from bringing in a gun; they don't do a damn thing to stop the guy coming in to rob the store or kill the employees and patrons. It just let's him know everyone inside is a sitting duck. The smart choice are the signs that state "The unlicensed possession of a firearm on these premises is illegal"; that way good guys can carry and there is an extra charge to file against the bad guy.

Now just as important, why would anyone want to eat the ketchup covered cardboard CEC calls pizza?
 
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Not a problem. Took my daughters to CC when they were little and wanted to go out for pizza. I refuse to live my life constantly looking over my shoulder and otherwise scanning everyone for a potential threat.
 
brucev said:
Not a problem. Took my daughters to CC when they were little and wanted to go out for pizza. I refuse to live my life constantly looking over my shoulder and otherwise scanning everyone for a potential threat.
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I refuse not to..especially when I am with my kids.
 
Janitor said:
As for the officer ... of course he's anti-gun. The misfortune of the police department is that they have to draw from the human race. Cops are like any other civilians. Some of them are gunnies, some aren't.


ETA: No. I'm not anti cop. Quite the opposite actually.
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Many officers do not carry off duty. It does not mean they are anti gun. Carry one all day, along with cuffs, spare ammo, spray and the other items needed and it gets heavy. Off duty and not carrying is like a vacation.

That said, some departments endorse off duty carry and if an officer is identified during an incident, his life is in danger if he is not carrying. I went out to eat last weekend with a detective when he was off duty. He had his sidearm in his car but not on his person. I had mine but only because one never knows what might happen like did in Lubys in TX a few years back.

I carry openly almost as much as I do concealed and never been questioned by anyone as to why or my credentials. It is common in many areas that are anti gun to be approached by LEO, but not around here.
 
I am not a lawyer, but am an Indiana resident with a lifetime permit.

IIRC, Indiana gives a retail establishment the ability to post the "No Guns" signs, but the only thing they can do is to ask you to leave the premises if they detect you carrying. It's only if you REFUSE to leave when asked that the trespassing charge can be levied. If asked to leave, and you do so, it's the end of the matter legally.

Having said that, remember that you don't ever want to argue with a cop on the side of the road (or in this case outside the establishment). Be respectful, know your rights, and you should be cool.
 
If you are truely CONCEALED with your carry weapon no one will ever know. Just remember that if you get into a situation defending people other than you and yours, the law may not be on your side. IMHO In most states if you as a CCW holder get caught most they may do is kick you out. (your results may vary:D)
 
oldman45 said:
Many officers do not carry off duty. It does not mean they are anti gun. Carry one all day, along with cuffs, spare ammo, spray and the other items needed and it gets heavy. Off duty and not carrying is like a vacation.

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Ok ... I'm an old fart, but not too old to learn from someone who knows.

At the very least, I shouldn't jump to conclusions based on so little information. I stand corrected.
 
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