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[JcMack]

Most polymer guns do not lend themselves to "customization". Even if it's a simple as adding a Tyler, it's a something you can add to make it "yours". Sometimes I do a "grip shuffle" and wind up with "new' guns. Stupid maybe.

 

[gamedic]

People watch all these movies and tv shows with black guns and because most of them arn't gun people they can't identify the gun, they assume that all of them are Glocks. So they go out to buy a gun and they just ask for a Glock. Thats why they are so popular with the gun newbies. Most of my friends are in law enforcement and carry Glocks, but they can't convert me. My sole automatic is a Sig 220 which I believe to be superior to a Glock, just my opinion. Occasionally I have to go outside and run a bear off the porch or out of the trash. I don't take the Sig I take my model 57 because I know it will not fail to fire period. I think the less complicated a firearm the better it is for defending your life. Although my Sig has never jammed during fireing it will fail to feed the first round if I rack the slide to softly. So will a Glock. People will continue to buy Glocks because its a houshold name now. I understand they are good guns, but the older I get the more I like a good old rock solid revolver.

 

[truckemup97]

I don't have a Glock, but I would buy a G22 if one presented itself in an inexpensive and convenient manner. I have a S&W 990L, which is along the same lines as a Glock. It's a good defensive weapon that is easy to use, reliable, and accurate.

But it's not nearly as pretty as my S&W revolvers.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I have a 17 and 19. They go bang when required. I wish that folks would not push Glocks so hard to others who they don't know over the Internet... cuz you just never know... Therefore, I prefer to recommend Gen1 Sigmas. It just makes me feel safer.
(Just kidding you Sigma guys )

 

[venomballistics]

On the advice of a ballistician at Sierra for a programming project of long ago, I got Hatchers Notebook. It covers his lifetime of research, discoveries and developments he witnessed. There is a section on blown up guns. One was a standard issue 1911 that went grenade mode. Photos document the after math, as I recall the slide was pretty well opened up like a daisy from the rear of the ejection port forward, the barrel ruptured and sites ejected. the text goes on to describe the incident in detail that the mag was blown out of the well and a list of new features suddenly applied to the explosively upgraded specimen.
the key deal here is that the mag was blown from the gun ... that means something of great violence passed straight through the mag well.
the shooter not only lived to tell the tale to Hatcher he suffered only minor injury.
HE GOT TO KEEP HIS HANDS.
I'd like to see a tupperware gun fail on this magnitude and protect the shooter like the real steel of a 1911 did in this case.
had I not seen this .. I might have jumped on the Glock or USP bandwagon. I instead, shall trust honest steel.

 

[brucev]

I've been shooting S&W handguns since 1979. They are uniformly excellent. That being said, I have a G-22 by the bedside. I bought it because of my (LEO" brother's recommendation. I have put several thousand rounds through it without any problems. It is an extremely good pistol that I very much like and enjoy shooting. Maybe the Glock perfection thing is what boils so many people off. We all have preferences. I haven't bought a M&P... yet. Probably just a matter of time. I must admit I dislike disparaging remarks that one sometimes hears made by ill-informed/ignorant persons about 1911's, etc.

 

[Rugskipper]

Glocks are tools, and often at the range, I see them being shot by tools. That said, I have a 17 by the bed with a tactical light which I would only consider replacing with a 21 SF. For that job, it is ideally suited. I have a friend with an M&P who has gone through 3 firing pins. I trust his opinion, and of the M&P, it is quite low. For concealed carry, I think that either of your choices would be good for the job. The snub would probably fit in a pocket a bit better, but for IWB, I would opt for the semi auto.

 

[NKJ nut]

I have no plans to leave and since I haven't been banned I must not have broken any rules. However I may have recommended a Glock at one time or another on this forum. Anyway, I'll play it safe and plead guilty. Thankfully I have reached the point where none of my guns are a threat to any of the others, and I can ignore advise that I consider inappropriate. It's an acquired skill.

Glockaholic,

owner of 63 S&W handguns, plus one S&W rifle and three knives.

 

[Krull]

I'll admit I've made a suggestion to look at some other handguns,but I also say S&W is a damn fine piece of kit just make sure you try everything and see what fits.

Myself I have a 33 and it's a nice little thing,recoils little,and stays low when you carry it.
but my favorite .45 is a 4506 and I'd tell anybody if it fits you and you're looking at one GET IT! you can't go wrong with an S&W

The Glock zombies are just the newest wave of gun snob,first we had the 1911 crew then the AR and now the Glock,there are other snobs,like HK guys,but those three are the worst when it comes to being verbose and pushy

 

[Vulcan Bob]

The glock is the handgun for a non handgunner. It's sorta like the model ten of the semi auto world, simple to use and go's bang when you pull the trigger.

 

[JcMack]

S&W DAO autos sre the best at emulating a revolver trigger without question. I always hear about double strike capability. Not an issue, same as Glock.

 

[Babalooie]

I don't own a glock but do have friends who own them.

The real question is whether or not I'd let my son marry a woman who owned one. I think I would, but only if he loved her.

 

[Babalooie]

Most polymer guns do not lend themselves to "customization". Even if it's a simple as adding a Tyler, it's a something you can add to make it "yours". Sometimes I do a "grip shuffle" and wind up with "new' guns. Stupid maybe.

Try super glue.

 

[venomballistics]

If any Tupperware toting jackwaggon gets in your face about how great they are and why you should have one ... show them this.

the cause of this failure was what may very well have been a triple charged round that slipped QC .. since this can STILL happen, both at our loading benches AND commercial ammo. its nice to know theres steel between you and the wrath.
the shooter kept his hands .. steel or tupperware ... you decide

 

[venomballistics]

Can't we all just get along

short answer .. no
long answer um ... HAHAHAHA No
life would be awfully boring otherwise

 

[handejector]

If any Tupperware toting jackwaggon gets in your face about how great they are and why you should have one ... show them this.

the cause of this failure was what may very well have been a triple charged round that slipped QC .. since this can STILL happen, both at our loading benches AND commercial ammo. its nice to know theres steel between you and the wrath.
the shooter kept his hands .. steel or tupperware ... you decide

I have to play the devil's advocate here.
Actually, the failure of this 45 being SO catastrophic is what saved the shooter. Most of the energy was expelled up and away.
I have seen far less catastrophic failures that did more harm. When IPSC was young, many experiments were going on with chamber and ramp contours in both 45 and 38 Super. Many guys wanted to use the 38 Super as a major cal.
During some of this development, some people had brass failures where the case was unsupported by the feed ramp. I have seen 1911's with the mag blown completely out of the gun, and the grips SPLINTERED and blown completely off the gun, causing injury and wood encroachment on the shooting hand.
In other words, I'm afraid you don't have the steel barrier you think you do. Simply take the grips off a 1911, and you'll notice some real big holes in the gripframe.

 

[Engineer1911]

Steel is real, stainless steel is real steel.

 

[venomballistics]

I have to play the devil's advocate here.
Actually, the failure of this 45 being SO catastrophic is what saved the shooter. Most of the energy was expelled up and away.
I have seen far less catastrophic failures that did more harm. When IPSC was young, many experiments were going on with chamber and ramp contours in both 45 and 38 Super. Many guys wanted to use the 38 Super as a major cal.
During some of this development, some people had brass failures where the case was unsupported by the feed ramp. I have seen 1911's with the mag blown completely out of the gun, and the grips SPLINTERED and blown completely off the gun, causing injury and wood encroachment on the shooting hand.
In other words, I'm afraid you don't have the steel barrier you think you do. Simply take the grips off a 1911, and you'll notice some real big holes in the gripframe.

I am aware of them Lee and the nature of the KB pictured leads me to believe the shooter probably used words disallowed in this forum many of which had to be pain induced.
the right side grip IS split, which means a fair portion of the gasses did vent down as well.
the breach is exactly above the trigger finger in the design. note the integrity of that section of the frame where the pressures were at their greatest. it did the job we hope they never have to do.

 

[8thring]

glockvs. s&w

I don't get it. I have nothing against Glocks or their owners, but it gets a little old when one asks advice about a S&W gun and gets the response "get a glock". I f I wanted glock advise, I'd go to a glock forum. I've even seen this in the revolver forums. I joined this forum because I'm shopping for my first defensive handgun. Thanks to all the great advice I've recieved on this forum I have it narrowed down to a 908 or a model 60, just can't decide if I want an auto or a wheel gun more. Wish I could afford both. The 908 I found is $200 cheaper. Neither is close to a glock, so please don't try to convert me to "the plastic dark side". Thanks for letting me rant.

in brief glocks are ugly [ i have a few of them; only plastic gun i own ]. there is not anything prettier on earth than an n-frame with cokes !

 

[Old cop]

My only Glock is a Model 23 that was my service weapon, retired w/me and my badge in '97. If I'm reading your post correctly my preference would be the Model 60. I admit to a bias - I'm an old revolver guy and own/shoot Colt & S&W wheelguns. There are no show guns in my collection, I shoot everything I own. Best.