So as the title says. I want some opinions on which pistol to buy. Help me out here. I really really like the m&p's but I was at my local gun shop the other day and fondled the sig p250. I have to say, it is a pretty nice pistol for the price. And I really like the idea of having a modular system. My heart was set on the m&p, I already own a sw40ve and love it. I've got almost 700 rounds through it without a hiccup. Thus even more reason to buy the m&p. But playing around with this sig the other day has me torn! So any opinions would be greatly appreciated. By the way, I am planning on doing my ccw with whichever I choose.
m&p40c or sig p250
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Your heart is set on the M&P.
You love your 40ve.
You will be 'settling' on the sig because of price. You think that will make you happy in 6 months or 6 years?
Buy the M&P and be happy. If you want the sig later, buy one then.
You love your 40ve.
You will be 'settling' on the sig because of price. You think that will make you happy in 6 months or 6 years?
Buy the M&P and be happy. If you want the sig later, buy one then.
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I have an M&P40 full size, & a Sig P250C 9mm. Tried a P250C in 40, didn't really care for it, but I do LIKE the 250 in 9mm. The bore axis n the M&P is lower, thus sits lower in the hand, & to me handles recoil much better than the Sig. I really do like the DAO trigger on the Sig, it's much like a REALLY smoth & light revolver trigger.
All in all I believe the S & W is a more refined gun, but at about $200.00 greater price point as the Sig comes with night sights at about $400.00 OTD, the M&P with night sights is close to $600.00 otd.
My opinion only FWIW.
Darrel
All in all I believe the S & W is a more refined gun, but at about $200.00 greater price point as the Sig comes with night sights at about $400.00 OTD, the M&P with night sights is close to $600.00 otd.
My opinion only FWIW.
Darrel
I'd shop around.... I paid $399 for my new M&P .40.
And you can plop a 9mm or .357 barrel on the M&P .40 and have three guns!
exactly what I'm thinking, buy the 40c, add the 9mm barrel, it's all you have to replace to function and it's easy.... kick in a few extra magazines, some compact size mags and if you want the full size grip, just get the full size magazine, it fits right in.... I was just thinking... Smith should put together a package, 9,40 and 357.... with magazines... I would buy one in a blink... 3 guns for under a grand.... hell, I have 4 of them now... can only carry one at a time....
I recommend that you visit three forums for info on the P250:
the sigforum, the P250sig forum and m4carbine.net. You'll find lots of info at those places, some favorable and some unfavorable.
I think you'd be much safer carrying an M&P versus a P250. IMO the M&P has proven itself as a durable reliable serviceable handgun; the nicest thing i can say about the P250 is that the jury is still out on it.
Here's a link to the GAO report on the results of the P250 being testing against M&Ps and Glocks as candidates for BATF's new handgun:
http://www.gao.gov/decisions/bidpro/4023393.pdf
The Cliff notes version is that the P250 suffered 58 stoppages out of 8000 rds fired; the M&P had about a fourth as many stoppages as the P250; the Glock had about half as many as the M&P. I understand that BATF has already let contracts to buy M&Ps and new Glocks, but isn't expected to buy any P250s.
As far as I know only one US law enforcement agency has adopted the P250: the Federal Air Marshal Service. The FAMS fielding of the guns has been troubled from the beginning, and may be on hold now. My info on recent developments with that is sketchy. SIG has been trying to market the P250 to various US LE agencies, but nobody else has bitten AFAIK. SIG has a pretty sizable LE market share now (but it's almost all P220, P226, P228, and P229 guns). So it's not like they are outsiders who don't know how to win LE contracts.
The M&P series on the other hand is doing quite well in gaining LE contract market share.
Success or failure in winning LE firearm contracts frequently hinges on some combination of liability, durability, reliability, serviceability, support after the sale, and price. These are generally criteria worth consideration by the citizen buyer, as well.
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hdfinder47
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The M&P is nice but I like the versatility of the 250. My wife has a 9mm and she, the grandsons and myself all shoot it quite well. VERY nice DAO trigger and even weak/small hands can operate the slide. And you can expand the Sig to include all popular calibers in addition to slide/frame/grip sizes. And it's a SIG. And it's less expensive. And only the trigger group is "on the books" - not all the available variations. Aw heck, just get both.
MotorCityGun
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Ergonomics, "feel" and price may influence your purchase decision, but those should be low(er) on your list of priorities for a SD pistol/gun. I'm not pushing S&W, but it's pretty difficult to argue with the statistics/data noted by yourself, oldtexan and those posted on S&W website under their news articles.
Ask yourself this before you make your decision, if/when the SHTF and, God forbid, you need to use your weapon to protect yourself and or your family against a BG(s), what are you going to want/need from your weapon?
Not so sure I would send anyone to m4carbine for info, those in charge are pretty biased, if ya don't drink the koolaid.. bad things can happen..
presspics
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The SIG P250 is a trouble plagued pistol..I wouldn't own one on a bet. Get the M&P
Not so sure I would send anyone to m4carbine for info, those in charge are pretty biased, if ya don't drink the koolaid.. bad things can happen..
On just about any forum, one has to try to sort out the useful comments, from those posted by fanboys, haters, posers, etc. Each forum seems to have its own particular built-in set of assumptions, biases, etc.
m4 carbine.net seems pro-9mm 3rd Generation Glock, pro-H&K, and pro-M&P, but there are people there who have posted IMO useful reports of using the P250. For example, I first read reports there of short stroke problems with the P250 trigger. I also first saw the GAO report on BATF's P250 testing at the m4 site.
I tend to take a report that gives a detailed account of a specific issue with a given gun more credibility than a report that says "this gun is a POS" or "this gun is the best".
Agreed on the 1st and all points, my direct neg. experience there related to AR platforms... don't think I want to go back for more. too much good ole boy stuff there. I haven't seen that here, MP-pistol, AR15.com and others.. and there is good info at other sites..
Shoot them both I have an M&P40 be it a fullsized and carry a P250 compact in 40 caliber. I chose to carry the P250 over buying an M&P40c for cc because I dont feel comfortable shooting anything with pinky and palm dangling. I have 2 P250's in 40 cal, a 1st gen compact and a new fullsized in addition to my M&P40.
The P250's have IMHO the best DAO trigger anywhere, my M&P 40 has had trigger work and I probably wouldnt own it if it wasnt for that-the stock trigger sucks. The P250's are a great HD or carry gun the M&P is a better battle gun. My fullsized P250 is extremely accurate and very well balanced. The compact snaps a bit more but is a great and safe carry gun. I cant say anymore about the M&P that hasnt been said before-its a great gun (as long as you get trigger mods).
One thing about the P250's, mine hates Remington UMC. It caused ftfs, but they have never malfunctioned with other brands of ammo or any JHP's. Some say P250's need a break in period, I think the shooter needs one as well. It takes a bit of getting used to. The trigger is really smooth but long, as is the reset. If you have mastered how to shoot the P250's-good trigger control and a steady hand through the trigger travel then your effort will be rewarded. I can switch to any other gun, glock, sig whatever and shoot them really well.
Maintenance wise the P250 is a dream to maintain-you can get it down to absolutely nothing easily. The M&P not as much but really good. Ergos are a toss up and again are completley subjective. I like the capacity of the M&P40 fs not the compact, the sigs are right in the middle-though I wished that sig left the capacity of the fullsized at 17 like they said they were going to when it was introduced.
Both P250's have over 4K through them, so has the M&P. I can truly rely on any of them. Find what fits you best-I feel you couldnt go wrong with either. And this isnt internet hearsay-I own and shoot them a lot-and not just in a booth, lets just say I have put them through the wringer.
The P250's have IMHO the best DAO trigger anywhere, my M&P 40 has had trigger work and I probably wouldnt own it if it wasnt for that-the stock trigger sucks. The P250's are a great HD or carry gun the M&P is a better battle gun. My fullsized P250 is extremely accurate and very well balanced. The compact snaps a bit more but is a great and safe carry gun. I cant say anymore about the M&P that hasnt been said before-its a great gun (as long as you get trigger mods).
One thing about the P250's, mine hates Remington UMC. It caused ftfs, but they have never malfunctioned with other brands of ammo or any JHP's. Some say P250's need a break in period, I think the shooter needs one as well. It takes a bit of getting used to. The trigger is really smooth but long, as is the reset. If you have mastered how to shoot the P250's-good trigger control and a steady hand through the trigger travel then your effort will be rewarded. I can switch to any other gun, glock, sig whatever and shoot them really well.
Maintenance wise the P250 is a dream to maintain-you can get it down to absolutely nothing easily. The M&P not as much but really good. Ergos are a toss up and again are completley subjective. I like the capacity of the M&P40 fs not the compact, the sigs are right in the middle-though I wished that sig left the capacity of the fullsized at 17 like they said they were going to when it was introduced.
Both P250's have over 4K through them, so has the M&P. I can truly rely on any of them. Find what fits you best-I feel you couldnt go wrong with either. And this isnt internet hearsay-I own and shoot them a lot-and not just in a booth, lets just say I have put them through the wringer.
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You can fix that pinky finger hangin off.... either cut it off... or the gentler softer way if you like your MP, use the 40FS magazine in your 40c and get the best of both worlds.
your pinky locks right in, I love the shorter barrel with the longer magazine..I have 2 older gripped Sig P250 compact 9mms, one with a Threaded barrel and the other a bi-tone. I also have 2 recent Sig P250 x-change kits, one in .40 S&W and the other in .357 Sig. The 9mms in their original configuration functioned very well with most of the ammunition I used, including FMJs and JHPs. But the bi-tone did have infrequent stovepipes using CCI aluminum cased blazers. The TB version had a slightly different takedown lever and the fire control module with it worked very well with both x-change kits. The bi-tone had an almost identical fire control module but the different takedown lever caused the slide to hang-up with both x-change kits. Sig sent me a "working" takedown lever at no cost which solved the problem with the bi-tone. The Sig P250 x-change in .357 Sig worked flawlessly with 100 rounds of S&B FMJ, 50 rounds of Hornady JHP and 50 rounds of Federal JHP. The P250 x-change in .40 S&W absolutely would not feed Fiocchi 170 truncated cone FMJ but functioned flawlessly with Hornady 155 JHP, Federal, and Winchester Ranger 155 JHP ammunition. All versions of the P250 shot softer and have a better feel to me than my Glock 22c. I have an M&P compact in .40 S&W on order from Buds Police Supply but haven't shot one so I can't comment on that yet but I will say the M&P seems to fit my hand very comfortably. In my experience, as far as the Sig P250 compact goes, I think most if not all of the problems have been addressed and it's generally quite reliable with the right ammunition.
I have two Sigs from the 1990's: a P229 in .40 and a P239 in 9mm. Both are on my not so long list of guns I own which have never once ever failed. These were made in the pre-Cohen days and by all accounts are of better quality than what Sig makes today. If I were to get another Sig, it would be another example from the 90's...you can find examples for under $600. This could very well be one of the great deals of this particular point in time (another being the CZ-82).
P250 vs. an M&P 40c? No brainer to me...I would (and did) get the S&W. I rarely hear of them not being 100% out of the box and lasting for a very long time. I cannot say that about the Sig P250. Damned shame though. Sig used to be top-notch in quality.
One more thing: from what I understand, Sig's CS is horrible these days. S&W's is supposed to be awesome.
P250 vs. an M&P 40c? No brainer to me...I would (and did) get the S&W. I rarely hear of them not being 100% out of the box and lasting for a very long time. I cannot say that about the Sig P250. Damned shame though. Sig used to be top-notch in quality.
One more thing: from what I understand, Sig's CS is horrible these days. S&W's is supposed to be awesome.
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Sigs aren't really ambi like the S&W M&P's. I can't remember if that changed with the introduction of the P250. I really like the look and feel of the Sig P250, but I would consider the M&P to be as modular if not more modular than the Sig (switch barrels or complete slides and magazine same as the Sig but probably a bit more flexible).
Good luck!
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