AAAaahhh! You guys are 'PRE'ing me to death!!

[Allen-frame]

"Pre 27"
"Pre 18"

"Pre 29"??

Masterpiece. Aaah,, there,now I've said it.

Combat Magnum. WoW, what a NAME.

Outdoorsman. K-22 Combat Masterpiece. THE 357 Magnum.

44 MAGNUM. How about 44 Military. (The finest large caliber revolver in the World.)

Before anybody PRE'd our Smith and Wesson revolvers they had
names.
I know in the standard catalog they 'pre' us, but do you have to too??

I'D like to propose right now that all you cats give your revolvers
their proper names and when describing them call them as such.

Please, stop pre'ing your named revolvers to death.
Don't be a lazy typer, and give them the dignity they deserve.

AnY Body else feel this way too??

From an old guy who believes a Smith revolver should never have
been given a number at all.......

Allen Frame (pre AF, if you really want to tick me off)


My 44 Military.

A 357 Magnum. 1950. Long before model numbering.

 

[rck281]

That's a great looking pre-M21 and pre-M27.

 

[gr8smiles]

Did you learn anger management in PRE-school? haha

 

[bushmaster1313]

I changed my "Pre-27" post to make Allen happy.

I bet he hates

"Battle Tank"
"Acoustic Guitar"
"Standard Transmission"

 

[Göring's S&W]

We probably should not use "pre- XX"

Sometimes its about the language of the land - whats popularly spoken, should be spoken, in order to make more effective communication. This is similiar to 45 colt vs 45 long colt. Occasionally, in my experience, when asking for 45 colt ammo, I was handed 45 acp because the guy thought "45 acp = 45 automatic colt pistol" or perhaps, many people have a colt 45 auto or who knows.

But...

Since we are collectors, and on the S&W forum, we should refer to them by the actual correct name given the time period of each gun and not the novice nicknames given to the guns that were before model numbers by people who collect other guns or by people who are new to guns. Some of the old names, in fact most, were better than just a number name as AF pointed out.

Here is my pre - .....here is my newly acquired S&W model 44 magnum.

 

[jeremyws1]

To me, "Pre-XX" means post-war until model numbers. It is easy to type and remember. I'm not lazy. I'm an engineer. We are efficient...haha.

 

[jughed440]

"pre" never got under my skin, but i never refer to my one and only K22 as a pre 17, and i sure don't drive a Prius!

 

[4-Screw]

Take a deep breath Allen....."goooooosfraba".

As I said in an earlier post: "Pre" is a widely accepted term which is used in factory letters by Mr. Roy Jinks, it is a term which is used in the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, and it is a term that is used among most of the collectors here. It denotes a Post-War gun before the model designations. It automatically allows one to realize an approximate year and variation for the gun.

A Registered Magnum is a "357 Magnum" and a 1950 Pre-27 is also a "357 Magnum" but they are very different guns.

If it is good enough for Roy Jinks and for the Standard Catalog, it is good enough for me. By the way, Mr. Jinks, Mr. Supica, and Mr. Nahas, Allen just called you lazy
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[Maximumbob54]

I wish I had a Prius. I'm so tired of buying gas all the time. Or for that matter I wish I had any non model number marked nice S&W besides my beater that has been so poorly cared for...

Bad nickel job and on hammer and trigger, badly scratched on two sides of cylinder, nickel peeling off everywhere, she came with fake pearl pimp grips, and I still love her. But I will find her a big brother at some point.

 

[fyimo]

Take a deep breath Allen....."goooooosfraba".

As I said in an earlier post: "Pre" is a widely accepted term which is used in factory letters by Mr. Roy Jinks, it is a term which is used in the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, and it is a term that is used among most of the collectors here. It denotes a Post-War gun before the model designations. It automatically allows one to realize an approximate year and variation for the gun.

A Registered Magnum is a "357 Magnum" and a 1950 Pre-27 is also a "357 Magnum" but they are very different guns.

If it is good enough for Roy Jinks and for the Standard Catalog, it is good enough for me. By the way, Mr. Jinks, Mr. Supica, and Mr. Nahas, Allen just called you lazy
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+1 on what he said as I couldn't agree more

 

[SigKev]

Pre for me

I like the "Pre" terms. I see the term as more precise and useful to collectors. For example, I often see people on auction sites describing their "Combat Magnum" they have for sale, only to find that it is a 19-5. Using the term Combat Magnum, I usually think of a gun with no model marking (commonly called a pre-19, haha). The "pre-model" designation immediately narrows the date range of the gun being described. So, I see this as a term developed by collectors that is more precise in describing when a gun left the factory.

I do agree hat the term "44 Magnum" sounds more classy than "Pre-29".

 

[CajunBass]

Funny. When I first came here to ask questions about the big N frame .357 I saw at my local dealer, I told me it was a "Pre-27." Being basically dumb, I figured that was what everybody called them. Since it was apparently made before model numbers, it seemed reasonable to me.

I had no idea I'd step on anyone's toes.

Next thing you know I'll have to stop calling a revolver a "pistol."

 

[Art Doc]

Pre doesn't bother me nearly as much as "no dash."

Gawd, that's irritating.

The problem is there is no universally agreed language and even if there was there is no way to get every person on board with it. Newbies would still use the wrong terminology and many older folks would stick with the familiar terms they have always used and ignore the correct verbiage.

 

[dacoontz]

Pre doesn't bother me nearly as much as "no dash."

QUOTE]

I completely agree. It makes me think they have something special that should have had a dash but it was magically removed or forgot to be stamped. It's like thinking there exists a pre-27(or pre model numbered but post war 357 for Allen), 27, 27 no dash, 27-1, etc...

 

[glenncal1]

I just call my pre 17, k-22 outdoorsman the .22. I am very lazy. My great-grandfathers 1924 engraved M&P is the .38. My Brazillian 1937 1917 is the .45.

 

[Allen-frame]

How does it go? Goosefrabaaaaa,,,.

O.K. However it comes to be, I'll get carried along.


I have received my first official reprimand here on the forum.

With apologies to Dick King for any inflammatory remark.

Regards
Allen

 

[TACC1]

I found your post to be non-inflammatory, and turned out to be pretty interesting. Considering my exalted level of ignorance, though,
I just have to follow everybody else's lead. "gooooosfraba"???
TACC1

 

[PALADIN85020]

Here's my pre-Model 40....

John

 

[Igiveup]

Actually, I think this has been a good and informative post. I always feel that I can never stop learning.

 

[jhvaughan2]

While I'm normally a stickler for proper language I believe pre- and "no dash" are with us to stay. One way to look at it is that they are not "wrong names" just nick-names. There is nothing inherently wrong with nick-names.

If we outlaw "pre" as improper, where does it end?

• Were the original .357 magnums, originally called "Registered"?
• I also see "Transitional Model" used around here a bit. Did they really name them that?
• Do we really expect people to but "Question about my Model of 1953 .22/32 kit gun" in thier post titles?
• Are we going to stop calling everything that has a "v" prefix a "Victory"?
• Do we stop using the term "M&P" in referring to revovers ?
• Are we going to correct everyone who uses the term "grips"?
• As far as I know their were no models with "pre-war" in their name?

As to "no dash". It just saves time and effort. The majority of people assume when a "dash number" is missing is is not because there is not one, but because the OP did not realize it was important to post; causing the inevitable question "what dash number is it."

Of course we could use "pre-dash" instead