AAAaahhh! You guys are 'PRE'ing me to death!!

[jhvaughan2]

Here's my pre-Model 40....

Actualy I think that is a pre-Model 332.

 

[stantheman86]

No preference

If it helps people understand, especially new collectors, I don't see the big deal. I don't see a need to nitpick people to death when they are all excited and just found a "pre Model 10" at a gun show and 20 people are biting their head off "It's an M&P!"

Every hobby has it's bugaboos, and firearm collecting is near the top of the list, up there with car guys. And then, each niche of firearm collecting has people at different levels of expertise. I just started buying a few older Colt DA .38's like Official Police revolvers, and I will not know as much as people who have been buying and shooting Colts for 40 years. Just because we eat, sleep and breathe S&W revolvers, and have read the SC of S&W cover to cover 50 times doesn't mean the newer S&W fan knows all of this.

Maybe I'll start calling my Model 10's "post M&P's"

Since I am also a Ruger nut, some of the guys at the Ruger forum get picky with the model designations, I would be like "My 4" stainless full lug fixed sight .38 GP-100" and someone is always like "You mean a KGPF-341?!?" and I'm like "sure, that works too"

 

[jhvaughan2]

"It's an M&P!"

Actualy it is not an M&P it is a ".38 Military & Police Model of 1905 - 4th Change"

 

[Maximumbob54]

The "No dash" issue… the only reason I say that is since I found a model 28 I have been asked by several people what dash it is. It just seems like the easiest way to jump to the point. If you just say 28 then you are open for the barrage of questions that simply saying 28 no dash can answer. Personally I think it sounds funny just like the whole "Pre" issue, but again it conveys much information by saying very little. That is the only reason I do either on. But then again, I have many speech related problems. Seriously? Really? No way! Y'all. I have the bad habit of repeating them all after hearing them for far too long.

 

[keith44spl]

Ain't got no pre-model number guns, er Revolvers.

I don't care to much for that kinda language...All this pre-model this or that...

An ol' pard of mine's reply, when asked if he was a ex-Ranger? "Hell fire son, I ain't no ex nuth'ng!"

So, with that in mind this ain't no pre-nuth'ng either...

44 HE 3rd

No, I don't care what you call it...Just don't tell me 'bout it.

Su Amigo,
Dave

 

[jouesdeveau]

While I'm normally a stickler for proper language I believe pre- and "no dash" are with us to stay. One way to look at it is that they are not "wrong names" just nick-names. There is nothing inherently wrong with nick-names.

If we outlaw "pre" as improper, where does it end?

• Are we going to correct everyone who uses the term "grips"?

• 
  
  I didn't know there were other words for "grips". What are they?
  "Receiver panels"? "Decorative/Combat Receiver Panels"? "Handle Covers"?
  Gerry

 

[-db-]

I didn't know there were other words for "grips". What are they?
"Receiver panels"? "Decorative/Combat Receiver Panels"? "Handle Covers"?
Gerry

They're called 'stocks' in the S&W world. They go on the grip frame (to confuse matters more).

 

[kennyb]

+1 on what he said as I couldn't agree more

LOLOL....!! +1

 

[OFT II]

Whatever you pre-fer.

 

[Göring's S&W]

The language of Supica, Jinks, Carroll, Nahas

I for one disagree that citing the language in the SCSW (any edition) or the language used in Jink's letters should be the end all for this debate. The letters and books are written for the novice to the expert but if they're good for novice collectors, they cannot be written in 'expert' language. Now not to say that its hard to understand, that is the model names before the numbers, but on the other hand, the books and letters are written as such that anyone, collector, shooter, hunter, found it in the attic, inherited grandpaps guns, found this at a yard sale for $20, etc can understand. Knowing a S&W blued 44 mag is either a model 29 or a 'pre model 29' is much easier to remember than remembering a separate pre 1957 model name for each gun. I know that many of us have memorized most of the pre 57 and post 57 model names, but not everyone gets into these as much as some and many of us, like myself, collect other types of guns even though collecting S&W is a collecting world all its own.

When I got the SCSW 3rd, I hardly knew S&Ws and now that I see how much there is even more to know, I pretty much feel the same as I did although I know more than I did. In other words, the SCSW is a great book for novices because of how its written and the simple terms for different things.

The higher level S&W collectors, authors and historians can't assume that when they publish anything that the person reading it will definitely be a knowledgeable collector. They write so that anyone can understand, therefor, citing their wordage for published articles should not effect how an experienced collector should refer to models as.

 

[Vulcan Bob]

Aw jeez, we all know dey are gun's!

 

[Green Frog]

Pre doesn't bother me nearly as much as "no dash."

Gawd, that's irritating.

The problem is there is no universally agreed language and even if there was there is no way to get every person on board with it. Newbies would still use the wrong terminology and many older folks would stick with the familiar terms they have always used and ignore the correct verbiage.

SP,

When I use the "no dash" or other post script addended to say, my original 66, it is because if the writer just says, "Mod 66." he could mean any of the Model 66 series. Specifying that there is no dash emphasizes that the reference is to the original type, without change, so there is no question. I guess I could say "dash nought" or "pre-dash" but that would be objectionable as well, I fear!

Green Frog (the original, no dash! )

 

[Maximumbob54]

66 mod 0 it is then...

 

[calmex]

Not pre, actually...

Although some might call this worn blaster a Pre-War .357, it actually isn't. It´s shipping date of May 12, 1942 puts it into the Wartime .357 category I'd think. So it isn't "Pre". At least, I don't think it really is. Maybe.

More data on this revolver (SHAMELESS PROMOTION of the thread) under the thread:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-ha...47-penultimate-pre-postwar-magnum-mexico.html

 

[bmcgilvray]

Here's my pre-Model 40....

John

That one there is pretty pre- alright. Very pre- actually, it is. It could be said to be pre-pre-.

 

[phenson]

Being probably the newest member of the SWCA, I am humbled and a little intimidated by the level of knowledge here. I owned my first S&W revolver in about 1976, and have owned many more over the years, but until I joined this forum, I had no idea how much I didn't know. I have been calling my revolvers pre and no dash for quite a while now because I read posts on this forum referring to revolvers by those titles. As far as never calling a revolver by the term pre or no dash because at the time it was manufactured there would be no the knowledge that a -1 or a model number would come along raises a question in my head. I believe no one called World War I by that name until at least 20 or more years after it was over because no one knew WWII was going to come along until at least Sept. 1, 1939, but sometime after WWII was fought the most accepted term for the war that was fought between 1914 and 1918 was World War I. So, looking at these revolvers and using backward chronology, I really don't see the problem in using the terms pre or no dash to best describe what period that specific revolver is from. But, I am probably the newest member of the SWCA and I know I have a lot to learn still.

 

[4-Screw]

Being probably the newest member of the SWCA, I am humbled and a little intimidated by the level of knowledge here. I owned my first S&W revolver in about 1976, and have owned many more over the years, but until I joined this forum, I had no idea how much I didn't know. I have been calling my revolvers pre and no dash for quite a while now because I read posts on this forum referring to revolvers by those titles. As far as never calling a revolver by the term pre or no dash because at the time it was manufactured there would be no the knowledge that a -1 or a model number would come along raises a question in my head. I believe no one called World War I by that name until at least 20 or more years after it was over because no one knew WWII was going to come along until at least Sept. 1, 1939, but sometime after WWII was fought the most accepted term for the war that was fought between 1914 and 1918 was World War I. So, looking at these revolvers and using backward chronology, I really don't see the problem in using those terms to best describe what period that specific revolver is from. But, I am probably the newest member of the SWCA and I know I have a lot to learn still.

^^Well said and welcome aboard.

 

[j38]

phenson,


...here, here! Historically, language is liquid. Whatever it takes to communicate clearly works for me.

Jerry

 

[Sprefix]

My Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail is a "pre-CZ"! Can that be put in the proverbial pipe and smoked? --I love a good debate, 'specially when someone is on their ear! Someone pm when the valium kicks in.

 

[Engine49guy]

Allen Frame (pre AF, if you really want to tick me off)

Technically your dad would be pre AF,
you are AF no dash and your son is AF dash 1.
Had to go there.
Peace.