Your Military Knife

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Which knives did you use in the military? I know that many of us are veterans, and I bet that most had at least a pocketknife.

Also, if you were young again and knew what you do now, or were choosintg a knife for a son or other significant loved one who's off to Iraq or Afghanistan, what knives would you provide, if cost wasn't a factor?

I was a cop in the USAF and never saw a war zone. (I applied for Vietnam, and they sent me to Newfoundland. :rolleyes: ) I did buy knives that I thought would be good in a battle zone, because I thought I might see duty in Vietnam or Thailand. I got a Model 3 Randall, mainly for a hunting knife, and a Ben-Hibben - later just Gil Hibben- small Bowie, called the Jungle Fighting Knife. It had a seven-inch blade. The Randall had a six-inch blade, and the standard leather handle, all that I found that I could afford.

My pocketknife was at first a Wostenholm I*XL Boy Scout type, later a Swiss Army knife from Victorinox. I bought the I*XL from Randall, who carried that brand then. The Victorinox came from a posh New York outfitter called Hunting World, run by a safari veteran named Robert Lee. I still favor that model of Victorinox (called the Spartan) as a basic pocketknife, although I now have many options.

When my son was headed for Iraq, I gave him a Fallkniven S-1 (www.fallkniven.com ) He declined a Swiss Army knife, preferring a multitool, and he had a lockblade from Pakistan, given to him by a friend. He decided that the black-bladed S-1 was too nice and too expensive for a battle zone, and was afraid that some customs agent or prig officer might confiscate it on some pretext. So, he got a Marine style Ka-Bar, made by Camillus, I think. Those served him well, although all of his killing was done with guns. Now a civilian, he prefers a tanto-pointed Benchmade folder, which saved his life a few months ago when he was attacked in his yard by a feral dog.

My use of the Randall was confined to wearing it when hunting and fishing in Colorado and in Newfoundland. It replaced an old Anton Wingen Bavarian style hunter as my sporting knife. I also used a Buck Pathfinder (Model 105) in that role.

Some disdain a combat knife, saying that it'll never be needed. But it may! One El Salvadoran soldier ran out of ammo and all his platoon were killed, and the insurgents were coming. He drew a lockblade folder (I never saw the brand in the news) and charged the enemy! He inflicted some casualties and they ran! This man received the Salvadoran equivalent of the Medal of Honor. I also have encountered other examples of knives in battle. The late G.W. Stone told me that a Special Forces soldier in Vietnam took off the head of a Viet Cong worthy with one stroke from one of Stone's Model A knives. Randall also has testimonials spanning about four or five wars.

But the military knife usually functions more like a camp knife, a valuable utility tool.

So, what did you carry, epecially if you in a war zone? What would you give someone today?

T-Star
 
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The only knife I carried in the Army was a G.I. pocket knife. My primary armament was a 1911A1 pistol, and when I was forced to by the TO&E, an M1 carbine. I learned never to bring a knife to a gunfight. In later years, I picked up this one - I suppose there are worse fighting knives. It's an OSS stiletto, complete with the original "pancake flipper" scabbard.

John

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OOOH-

Nice catch, and very collectible!

I did have a Third Model F-S knife then, but left it with my family, as I'd read that they sometimes broke in battle.

I also had trouble getting a decent edge on it.
 
I carried a Boy Scout knife-1960s vintage, forget the brand, then a "demo" knife or "engineer's" knife. In fatigues, Class As or khakis, and in civvies. Most used tool was the can opener-did a nice job on a C-ration can. IIRC one of the qualities of the "demo" knife was that it was non-sparking. ? The Gerber MkII
was the "in knife" during my time, I had 2 at various times. Yes, I DID use it. And it did not let me down.
Back in "my" day (1967-1971) you could only carry a sheath knife in the field, in garrison or off duty
nobody said anything about carrying a pocket knife. I gather in today's PC military carrying a pocket knife or a multitool leads to a lot of cackling and quacking among the powers that be and the knife aficionado, like the gun buff, is viewed with suspicion.
 
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All.
TL-29. Electricians knife.
All them pointy ended fighting knives would get you electrocuted if you worked around high voltage equipment.
Bill@Yuma
 
A Model 18 Randall and a USMC bayonet during two tours in Iraq. And, no, not a Ka-Bar, but the bayonet.
 
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A Model 18 Randall and a USMC bayonet during two tours in Iraq. And, no, not a Ka-Bar, but the bayonet.


Thanks! I'd never seen one of those. How does it fare as a bayonet? The M-4 carbine seems ill-suited for use with a bayonet, and the M-16 isn't great for that, either.

In Korea, the 27th (Wolfhound) Regiment made a bayonet charge against the Commies that is said to have been the largest since the Civil War. They routed the enemy. But they had Garands!

BTW, the Lee-Enfield rifle stock is shaped the way it is to make it better for use with the bayonet, although the spike form issued with the Rifle No. IV seems anemic, at best. I suspect that is one reason why Australia never adopted the No. IV. It is, however, in some ways a better rifle than the No 1 MK III that preceeded it.

T-Star
 
It works better than the Army bayonet, which is also designed to be used as a wire-cutter, torque wrench, etc. The USMC bayonet is designed for killing, and the Commandant had the handle ergonomically designed to reduce hand fatigue when knife-fighting with it. Side note: Walked into the chow hall at Al Taqaddum and the Sergeant on head count looked at my bayonet and said, "That's a big knife you got there, Master Sergeant. You planning on killing something?" I replied, "Sergeant, you DO realize we're in a combat zone, right?"
 
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I recently had a wave of nostalgia an haunted ebay until I found a good Gerber Mark I and a new production Gerber Mark II.

For folders it was always a Buck 110 and 112. One day I got called to the CSM's office where he measured my buck which came out 1/16th inch under the limit. I got a 15 minutes lecture about how he could not understand why a soldier in his army would feel the need to carry such a disgusting weapon. I said it was a tool to do repairs on on camo nets an such before I was told to **** and get out of his sight. So I can see his concern about some smuck in the chain of command finding some excuse to steal it.
 
The spike bayonet of the No. 4 Mk I was designed to be used as a mine probe with the handle of the Uk entrenching tool, while the sword bayonet of the SMLE/No. 1 Mk III was the length it was to make up for the shorter barrel length of the SMLE compared to the Long Lee Enfields it replaced. We did the same with the 16" M1905 bayonet for the M1903. The Krag bayonet was one of the first to incorporate the "fighting knife/camp knife" concept . When I joined the Army in 1967 bayonet drill was a major component of BCT. "WHAT'S THE SPIRIT OF THE BAYONET!..." Also several Marines from that era told me Marine Doctrine was your bayonet goes on the end of your weapon, your knife is on your belt if you need it.
 
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I used to carry a Lakota folder, most of my shipmates carried Buck folders. Now I would probably carry something like this....

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23 months in Vietnam and points west.
Randall #1, Gerber MkII and a Gerber folder.
Guess which one I used the most?

Rule 303
 
Never had a serious use for it but I always had it just in case all else failed.

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Big enough to be serious but compact enough to always be with you and not in the way.
 
I had a bunch of 'em in Iraq, most spent the whole deployment sitting in a box next to my bunk in the tent. Most of them are still in that same box in my basement. The most unique was a repro of the Farbairn-Sykes SAS dagger I ordered from Sportsmans Guide, since at the time they shipped overseas to APO addresses. I kind of "collected" knives via mail order over there. Getting mail was like Christmas morning, and so I used to order a bunch of stuff.

I showed up in Iraq with the US Army version of the Ka-Bar on my belt and caught some heat about that....."look at this guy with the commando knife......" I still have that one too.

I did 550-cord a Benchmade fixed blade in the sheath to my IBA, until I broke the tip off. It still works, just has no sharp tip now.... Benchmade makes good stuff, that blade was so sharp if you touched it, it would draw blood. I thought of sending it back to Benchmade for a new blade, but I might just leave it as is......it's got "character". The Benchmade wasn't cheap and it was a better made knife than the new Ka-Bar I had. I also have an Ontario fighting knife that felt cheap to me.

I replaced it with a Turkish Mauser bayonet with the handle wrapped in electic tape, with a rigged up sheath I took from another knife. The blade was dull, I used it as a prying tool and to break light bulbs out. That thick, long heavy blade would have made a better bludgeon than a stabbing weapon:) It was a Turkish bayonet but it had German marks on the root of the blade.....must have been "recycled" by the Turks. A lot to be said for good German steel, I used to pry open metal doors with it and it never broke. Tried the same thing with a cheap Chinese made knife and snapped the blade right in half. I still have the Turk bayonet.

I also had one of those cheap S&W branded "tanto" knives I bought at Ft. Drum before I deployed. I had all kinds of bonus money, and I bought all kinds of useless junk before I deployed, most of which I still have laying around somewhere, the rest was stolen or lost.

It was the "cool guy" thing to do, to have a big fighting knife tied to your body armor......it also gave me a little extra peace of mind that if all else failed at least I had some kind of weapon.
 
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Like most sailors of the time I always had a Buck 110 folding hunter. When I was with the Seabees I usually had a TL29 as well.
 
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