Bad Stuff Going On Around Here.

[charlie sherrill]

It started earlier this week with an older couple (both were 81 years old) being beaten to death in an apparent home invasion. I know their son, who is a local bail bondsman. I'm not involved in this investigation so I really don't know where they are with it. Home invasions are rare around here and when they do happen they usually involve someone from a larger city where they are more common.

About 4 1/2 hours ago at a local gun shop I frequent the owner was apparently jumped as he was locking up for the evening. He was shot in the back and later died on the operating table. He also deals in old coins and a lot of silver was missing. Probably some guns also but an inventory is incomplete. I know the victim but not as well as the previous owner, who I did a lot of business with. The victim bought this store less than a year ago. Two black males in a gold Mercury Marquis with a Hinds county Miss. tag (Jackson area) were seen in the area.

Info on both cases can be found at Hattiesburg American | Hattiesburg news, community, entertainment, yellow pages and classifieds. Serving Hattiesburg, Mississippi | hattiesburgamerican.com and WDAM - Channel 7 - Mississippi News, Hattiesburg, Laurel - 04 - Home Page. The latest case probably won't be found on the HA site for a few more hours.

 

[Maximumbob54]

I hope they are dumb enough to try and pull guns when the cops surround them.

 

[doublesharp]

Charlie, you know better than most that there is a sub class of human that attaches little value to life. They have no moral compass and are little more than animals. I think our country is in early stages of civil war and, until we abandon this pc bs, things will only get worse.

 

[venomballistics]

I hope they are dumb enough to try and pull guns when the cops surround them.

I hope they stole some Glocks... you know how they like to stick em in the front in the waist band .... with booger hooks on the bang switches, all ya need to do is listen for the soprano section

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

seems like the bad stuff comes in cycles

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

Charlie, you know better than most that there is a sub class of human that attaches little value to life. They have no moral compass and are little more than animals. I think our country is in early stages of civil war and, until we abandon this pc bs, things will only get worse.

As much as I would like to disagree with you on this...I'm sad to say I can't.

We brought all of this on ourselves...we let it get to this point.

 

[David LaPell]

When the economy gets bad, crime goes up, its just a proven fact as some people instead of knuckling down and getting tough decide to take the easy way and steal what doesn't belong to them. One of my wife's relatives has had to call the phone company because in less than a month thieves have stripped out the wires from her nearby power pole for whatever copper and other metals they can get. The local scrapyard was broken into for copper and aluminum. For a little city and small towns we have had several home invasions, a couple of strong arm robberies, shoplifting has gone through the roof (people getting picked up at the Wally World for alot of baby formula thefts so they can resell it on Ebay).
Yes we did do this to ourselves in a way. We have become so much of a "freebie"society with welfare and all the perks that you can get that you don't earn or deserve. While there are some people who need them, I can tell you that like any free give away, some take advantage. As Will Durant once said, "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within." We are fast working on that I am afraid.

 

[Engine 21]

Agreed

As much as I would like to disagree with you on this...I'm sad to say I can't.

We brought all of this on ourselves...we let it get to this point.

I have to say that the problems in the American culture today stem back several decades with the idea that you don't have to go to work and earn a living, get educated and be responsible and accountable for your actions. The lib media idolizing these reality misfits and people like the Paris Hiltons, and the Lohans and the dozens of other spoiled little brats that run around and contributed nothing cause the new generation to think and believe this is the way you live - you don't work, people just give you what you want and if they don't then just take it. If you need more proof - look at the Salahi's (the couple that crashed the White House state dinner) They do nothing and are in debt to everyone and yet they illegally enter the White House and nothing happens to them. The young generations see this and thinks that's the way it is suppose to be. So, you have whole generations of uneducated, non skilled, out of work people who think it's ok to commit felonies and if someone gets killed in the process - oh well I got what I wanted. Yes it is our fault - starting back in the 70's and maybe we can't fix it. I know, I sound like an old goat and I am but I know how to work and that's a plus now days.

 

[BigBill]

The first thing that will sence things are about to go bad or wrong will be the dog. A lot of times if a big dog is present the'll look else where. My 150lb rottie shakes the house when she sounds off. We need to be armed and have the dog or dogs also. When i hear a noise at night if the dogs sound off then i know something is wrong if they stay quiet i know the noise is one of my cats and things are ok. I'm a very light sleeper but i still stay awake to listen things thru just to make sure everything is ok. There's no free lunch waiting here only lead is waiting plus the jaws of life and there hungry too. We need to protect ourselves in every way we can in today's world. We can trust the dogs. Bill

 

[tripledipper]

We all will not agree 100% on the causes, but the problem is here and growing. A savage is a savage regardless of race. The only thing we can do is protect our families and property the best we can. The SHTF day is definitely coming whether it be from within or elsewhere. I hope I am on the wrong side of the grass when it happens.

 

[5Wire]

When the economy gets bad, crime goes up ...

I think there's got to be more to it than that. There are regional differences as well as population size differences.

The 2010 FBI Uniform Crime Report published: "Preliminary figures indicate that, as a whole, law enforcement agencies throughout the Nation reported a decrease of 5.5 percent in the number of violent crimes brought to their attention in 2010 when compared to figures reported for 2009. The violent crime category includes murder, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault."

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

According to the data contained below, violent crime rate shows to be at the level experienced in the early 70's, and homicide rate lowest reported since 1960. Maybe some distortion due to conviction rate and such... but it certainly does not appear to be trending up in recent years.

Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[mexica]

The one thing I do believe, is that we, the people are the answer to this problem. The government can't help us, we can help ourselves and each other. I've spent my entire adult life in the military, and whether I believe in any one thing that can save us, is our resolve as Americans, regardless of race, color, creed. Corny, but I do believe.

We need to hold ourselves accountable, and be informed about the things going on in Washington. We need to start holding our career politicians accountable, and firing them when they no longer represent us.
Michael

 

[5Wire]

What mexica said!

 

[Fishslayer]

According to the data contained below, violent crime rate shows to be at the level experienced in the early 70's, and homicide rate lowest reported since 1960. Maybe some distortion due to conviction rate and such... but it certainly does not appear to be trending up in recent years.

Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whenever I see stuff that would support somebody's agenda I look at:

A. Who paid for the study?
B. Who stands to gain from the report?
C. How/Where was the data collected?
D. Have the "definitions" changed? (ie "What is a violent crime?)

How about reporting? I see all the time on property crimes...

"What did the police say?"

"Ahhh.... I didn't even report it. Waste of time."

 

[charlie sherrill]

Update: Three arrests were recently made in the gun store murder. Two males were charged with capital murder and one female charged with being an accessory after the fact of capital murder.

 

[5Wire]

Whenever I see stuff that would support somebody's agenda I look at:

A. Who paid for the study?
B. Who stands to gain from the report?
C. How/Where was the data collected?
D. Have the "definitions" changed? (ie "What is a violent crime?)

How about reporting? I see all the time on property crimes...

"What did the police say?"

"Ahhh.... I didn't even report it. Waste of time."

My question to you is, what agenda are you talking about?

Wikipedia may not be the most reliable source but in this case the data/study cited is from the United States Bureau of Justice and all your questions can be answered at that site. If you had read the Wiki, you'd know that.

I'll take a shot at short answers to your questions here:
A. Who paid for the study? Taxpayers.
B. Who stands to gain from the report? Criminal Justice organizations in the United States and, hopefully, its citizens.
C. How/Where was the data collected? From law enforcement organizations all across the country, month by month, every year for a long time.
D. Have the "definitions" changed? (ie "What is a violent crime?). No, the definitions haven't changed in any essential way I can see. Look them up for yourself. The definitions have been about the same since the FBI started the UCR in 1929 but the reporting methods have evolved to the "National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS) Implementation Program."

You can begin answering your own questions here.

So, in spite of the economy worsening, violent crime has been decreasing in the United States. But there are hot spots that seem to be associated with certain geographic areas and population centers.

 

[5Wire]

Update: Three arrests were recently made in the gun store murder. Two males were charged with capital murder and one female charged with being an accessory after the fact of capital murder.

I don't know how you feel about that, Charlie, but, to me, as good as it is to catch the criminals, quick arrests especially always seem to make such tragedies sadder because they emphasize the senseless nature of the criminal offense and the pointless tragedy of the loss to victims and families.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Much of the crime problem is due to the high rate of illegitimacy, which, as George F. Will put it, produces "a continually renewed cohort of unruly adolescent males." Here in Mercer County, NJ a local pharmacist was just killed by an addict looking for a fix. What will happen to him? The taxpayers will pay for his lawyer. medical care, rehab programs, internet access and thanks to the recent abolition of capital punishment in this state he'll be up for parole in 20 years or so.

 

[OK Hog Shooter]

I'm with mexica and 5Wire!