A few years back did a comparison on 4 x 6 pressure treated lumber. A 9mm was burried in wood about half way if that far; .357 magnum straight through like a bore bee; .45 acp through with wood completely blown out on back side. Don't know what stopping power is better. It's all in individual preference, but when you see the wood gone, it does make you think.
357sig vs 40s&w, thoughts?
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I like the 357sig and have a Glock G31 but I think I'll stick with my
G22, 23 and 27.
When loaded to specs, the 357 Sig seems more robust then 40 S&W with more muzzle flash, increased slide velocities, etc.
It's been a while but IIRC, the 357 sig has little ballistically on a 38 super and not a whole lot more on 9mm+P or +P+.
And as already mentioned, is bottleneck (has pros & cons).
Between the 357sig and 40s&w, I'll stick with the latter.
I don't know if 357sig is a dying cartridge or not. Some have said the same about the 10mm but it's still here and I like it too but not enough to drop it for the shorter 40.
G22, 23 and 27.
When loaded to specs, the 357 Sig seems more robust then 40 S&W with more muzzle flash, increased slide velocities, etc.
It's been a while but IIRC, the 357 sig has little ballistically on a 38 super and not a whole lot more on 9mm+P or +P+.
And as already mentioned, is bottleneck (has pros & cons).
Between the 357sig and 40s&w, I'll stick with the latter.
I don't know if 357sig is a dying cartridge or not. Some have said the same about the 10mm but it's still here and I like it too but not enough to drop it for the shorter 40.
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Actually the Chrysler Hemi wasn't ever made in a 440 cubic inch displacement. It also wasn't ever offered with 6 pak carburation. The Street Hemi most remember was the 426 that featured two 4 barrel carbs. BTW, back then the preferred Hemi for drag racing was the earlier 392 Hemi because it's absolutely HUGE exhaust ports produced more power with a supercharger than the later 426 which featured exhaust ports about 30% smaller.
As for the 357 Sig being an imitation of the real thing, Double Tap Ammunition offers loads that are near the maximum of the SAAMI specification. They also publish ballistics shot using actual handguns, not some optimized test barrel.
In a 125 grain 357 Sig load that results in 1450 fps from a 4 inch barrel. In comparison their 125 grain 357 Magnum yields 1600 fps. from a 4 inch Ruger GP-100. They also offer a 158 grain bonded HP at 1400 fps from that same Ruger and a 200 grain hunting round at 1200 FPS from a 4 inch barrel.
Sum it up, the 357 Sig is just a very hot 9mm that achieves "Magnum Velocities" using a rather light bullet. On the other hand the 357 Magnum offers "Magnum Velocities" in a heavier bullet and also offers a larger variety of bullet types and weights the 357 Sig can't match.
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I apologize about nonsensical numbers regarding the Hemi engine. I grabbed from an old memory! Anyway, there is nothing cutting edge about a Hemi, nothing exciting at all. My six cylinder engine puts out 425 horses and 900 pounds of torque without a Hemi badge on the side, and it gets much better mileage. Hemi just means nothing at all anymore, I can't believe Dodge flaunts it like it really is something, and then I can't believe people actually think they have something special.
That said, the .357sig seams to be riding on the coattails of the .357 magnum in a similar fashion.
An interesting tidbit I just learned today: The 396 GM big block in the early 70's wasn't a 396, but GM kept the badges and called it a 396 because people had learned to love the 396. It was actually a 402.
That said, the .357sig seams to be riding on the coattails of the .357 magnum in a similar fashion.
An interesting tidbit I just learned today: The 396 GM big block in the early 70's wasn't a 396, but GM kept the badges and called it a 396 because people had learned to love the 396. It was actually a 402.
Wouldn't that cover plenty of other popular auto rounds as well? The .45 ACP isn't as versatile or powerful as the .45 Colt. Is the .45 ACP a bad knockoff? Of course not, because the .45 Colt won't fit neatly in a 1911. The .40 S&W concept is exactly like the .357 Sig/.357 mag. Not too many consider the .40 a poor knockoff of the 10mm.
If you can show my a 14 round .357 magnum pistol the same size as my GLOCK 32 I'll concede the .357 Sig is pretty silly.
I get your point hatt, but my point is that the rounds are pricey, the cases are harder to reload, and the performance is short of spectacular enough to jump ship from more proven performers.
If you want a soft easy shooter use a 9mm. If you want a bigger blaster use a 45acp or 40S&W. If you want a pocket package, use a 380 or 25. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see what the .357sig does that others don't do. Why have the round at all, unless it's because of the notability of the .357 magnum.
That's probably why Smith is dropping the round from the M&P line.
If you want a soft easy shooter use a 9mm. If you want a bigger blaster use a 45acp or 40S&W. If you want a pocket package, use a 380 or 25. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see what the .357sig does that others don't do. Why have the round at all, unless it's because of the notability of the .357 magnum.
That's probably why Smith is dropping the round from the M&P line.
I've posted this somewhere before. But why have just about every cartridge ever devised? .32 ACP, 9mm, .38, .357 mag, .44 mag, .223, .22-250, .30-30, 30.06, and 338 mag cover all the bases. Maybe put the .45 ACP, 7mm mag in there too along with a heavy African round. What does any other cartridge do that these don't. Should every other cartridge be dropped? A .300 mag could actually replace the .22-250, .30-06, 7mm mag, and .338 mag so we could drop a few more from the list. The .30-30 is only there for levers but we could get rid of levers too.
I don't know why people have such a problem with other people having something different than what they have.
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bloodlord77
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That's what we should base our ammo choice on, exact science ballistics like this
You may base your ammunition choice on whatever you so choose. That's the beauty of living in America
As for me, Those were my "real life" results rather than reading charts on the net.
All 5 shots from my 357 sig penetrated both doors.
The only other caliber that came close was 9mm. and that only dented the metal on the 2nd door.
I used winchester white box ammo for all calibers, and tested 5 shots with each.
9mm 115 gr
357 sig 125 gr
.40 185 gr
.45 230 gr
All were fmj.
Therefore, an M&P 357 sig stays tucked under my shirt at all times
You should pick the ammo that works best for you, and the one you feel most comfortable with. I condemn no caliber, for I love them all!!!!
@chuck great! Unfortunately I plan on keeping both my .40SW and .45ACP , those 2 other rounds dont show me anything! Now I just got 300 more new .40sw and 1000 .45 rounds , Im gonna be busy fer awhile (depending on how tired my hands feel ,that .44 mag took its toll today!)
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