Individual CC Permit feelings affecting the public

[Lost Lake]

One of our local chiefs of the PD is running around getting 'No Handguns Allowed' signs and said they will be posted in every municipal building. He said on video that it is 'unfortunate' that he cannot ban handguns in public parks. When asked how the public and other local PD's feel about the topic, he said he wasn't sure as he has not polled others.

He is using his influence and power, not to mention public time on the clock, to meet with business owners and try to get them to put up 'No Weapons' signs in their windows.

I am very disappointed in this public official. I thought the police were to enforce the law, not mold it to their liking.

 

[venomballistics]

One of our local chiefs of the PD is running around getting 'No Handguns Allowed' signs and said they will be posted in every municipal building. He said on video that it is 'unfortunate' that he cannot ban handguns in public parks. When asked how the public and other local PD's feel about the topic, he said he wasn't sure as he has not polled others.

He is using his influence and power, not to mention public time on the clock, to meet with business owners and try to get them to put up 'No Weapons' signs in their windows.

I am very disappointed in this public official. I thought the police were to enforce the law, not mold it to their liking.

I used to think the same, then I learned different.
Then I moved ... and I learned different again.

every time CCW goes into effect in a state, they wig out.
every time they voiced their protest and acted with paranoia, we have collectively proved em all wrong, without fail.
Dont be too shocked by your chicken little case. theyve cropped up everywhere.

 

[russp1]

Anytime I see a business with a no guns sign, I try to let them know that they have lost my business. I even carry cards bought from my local gun store that say as a CHL holder I have been finger printed and back ground checked, what do they know about the rest of their customers. Bringing this up with my local Ford dealer resulted in the signs coming down; as a result he sold me a new Ford Ranger.

It's amazing that anyone thinks these signs would stop a criminal intending to rob the place or shoot someone.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

This chief has stopped being a LEO and has become a politician. Sad to watch that happen.

 

[Chuck1217]

There was some incident at a Starbucks, can't remember exactly how it went- seems a Starbucks put up one of those signs, and people stopped coming, cause it was like announcing "No one here is armed, you may rob us now." Don't take my word for that, I may have it totally back-a-wards.

 

[Fir Fer]

You need to exercise your right to vote and vote him out.

 

[hatt]

You can't do anything about the chief. The stores however: NO GUNS = NO $$$. They'll learn.

 

[snub56]

I am lucky that in my state those signs do not have the force of the law. If I enter a business with a no weapons sign and by some miracle someone discovers my concealed snubbie, then they can tell me to leave . If I were to refuse to leave then I could be charged with a crime.

 

[JDW250]

Yeah, some of the sheriffs in Iowa did the same thing when Iowa's CCW law went to "shall issue". As a sheriff, they are an elected official, which does make them a politician by default.

 

[s&wchad]

Like a number of other States, Michigan has statewide pre-emption that prohibits municipalities from enacting their own firearms laws. State law rules statewide.

Press your Legislators for the same.

 

[cshoff]

One of our local chiefs of the PD is running around getting 'No Handguns Allowed' signs and said they will be posted in every municipal building. He said on video that it is 'unfortunate' that he cannot ban handguns in public parks. When asked how the public and other local PD's feel about the topic, he said he wasn't sure as he has not polled others.

He is using his influence and power, not to mention public time on the clock, to meet with business owners and try to get them to put up 'No Weapons' signs in their windows.

I am very disappointed in this public official. I thought the police were to enforce the law, not mold it to their liking.

We had a number of local idi....er......um.......police officials do some similar things here in Missouri when our endorsement system went into effect in 2003. It was all for nothing in the end.

What we did here was to develop a statewide "boycott list" that we added businesses to that posted their premises (as we found them, of course) and we enjoyed great success getting those signs pulled down in the vast majority of places. Even the Schnucks supermarket chain FINALLY removed the signs at all of their locations last year.

Stick with it. The alarmists will be proven wrong in WI just like they have been in every other state. Business owners aren't stupid and they don't like losing money. They will eventually come to realize that those signs only run off good paying customers.

I might suggest you put something together like this, customized for your state, of course. Anyone can drop one of these off to a business with signs posted just to let them know that your dollars are going elsewhere:

Front:

Back:

 

[Lost Lake]

Like a number of other States, Michigan has statewide pre-emption that prohibits municipalities from enacting their own firearms laws. State law rules statewide.

Press your Legislators for the same.

Chad, what do you think of this, just posted by our local liberal newspaper. I think it is a workaround for the state law that says no municipality may enact a law stricter than the state law, and our state law says a person may not remain on private property if asked to leave....

BARABOO, Wis. -- Baraboo city leaders have given residents a little added flexibility to keep weapons off their property when the state's new concealed carry law goes into effect
The City Council adopted the state statute, allowing people to forbid weapons on their property.This is supported by a city ordinance and a $213 fine.
Now, violations will not have to be prosecuted, it would simply be a forfeiture enforced by city police. :
"District attorneys all across the state of Wisconsin are understaffed and overworked, and this provides us the opportunity to take violations that need to be prosecuted and handle them in a different venue," said Baraboo Police Chief Mark Schauf.
The ordinance will be enforced in 11 days when the new concealed carry law in Wisconsin takes effect.

 

[Kanewpadle]

One of our local chiefs of the PD is running around getting 'No Handguns Allowed' signs and said they will be posted in every municipal building. He said on video that it is 'unfortunate' that he cannot ban handguns in public parks. When asked how the public and other local PD's feel about the topic, he said he wasn't sure as he has not polled others.

He is using his influence and power, not to mention public time on the clock, to meet with business owners and try to get them to put up 'No Weapons' signs in their windows.

I am very disappointed in this public official. I thought the police were to enforce the law, not mold it to their liking.

Talk to his boss. You know, the mayor.

Maybe the NRA can help.

 

[Kanewpadle]

There was some incident at a Starbucks, can't remember exactly how it went- seems a Starbucks put up one of those signs, and people stopped coming, cause it was like announcing "No one here is armed, you may rob us now." Don't take my word for that, I may have it totally back-a-wards.

It's Starbucks policy not to put these signs up. The anti gunners weren't too happy with them.

 

[s&wchad]

Chad, what do you think of this, just posted by our local liberal newspaper. I think it is a workaround for the state law that says no municipality may enact a law stricter than the state law, and our state law says a person may not remain on private property if asked to leave....

Michigan shall issue law is about 11 years old and similar. Private property owners have the right to regulate conduct on their property. I agree with that, but I think banning lawful carry is dumb. If a business doesn't want me carrying, I spend my money elsewhere and let them know why. Public places (City, County, Township. State) can't be restricted, but it took several lawsuits and an Attorney's General ruling to iron that out. We do have pistol free zone as defined by the Legislature and our Judges have banned carrying in Courthouses, but their parking facilities are exempt from pistol free status.

BARABOO, Wis. -- Baraboo city leaders have given residents a little added flexibility to keep weapons off their property when the state's new concealed carry law goes into effect
The City Council adopted the state statute, allowing people to forbid weapons on their property.This is supported by a city ordinance and a $213 fine.
Now, violations will not have to be prosecuted, it would simply be a forfeiture enforced by city police. :
"District attorneys all across the state of Wisconsin are understaffed and overworked, and this provides us the opportunity to take violations that need to be prosecuted and handle them in a different venue," said Baraboo Police Chief Mark Schauf.

I'm not a lawyer, so maybe some of our legal experts can chime in. Seems to me there's this little thing called due process.

 

[Lost Lake]

This is how I see it and maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong:

The law says anybody can post a sign, but I just went and read the law again and found no fines associated with disobeying the posted property. As I remember what the law was going to be, if you refused to leave a property that is posted or you were told you couldn't carry, the police could cite for disorderly conduct.

Now Baraboo is sticking this instant fine on the books, so the police don't have to issue a DC ticket, and you won't get your day in court.

 

[jtpur]

One of our local chiefs of the PD is running around getting 'No Handguns Allowed' signs and said they will be posted in every municipal building. He said on video that it is 'unfortunate' that he cannot ban handguns in public parks. When asked how the public and other local PD's feel about the topic, he said he wasn't sure as he has not polled others.

He is using his influence and power, not to mention public time on the clock, to meet with business owners and try to get them to put up 'No Weapons' signs in their windows.

I am very disappointed in this public official. I thought the police were to enforce the law, not mold it to their liking.

Please tell us what City this is in so that we can start a letter writing campaign. The NRA and other gun rights groups should be picketing the Police Station, and he should be getting as much negative press as we can generate. You are correct he should not use his position to mold behavior to his way of thinking...but isnt that what all good marxest do?

 

[venomballistics]

as I recall, there is a law that forbids the local levels from superseding state gun laws. he is thus acting unconstitutionally.
take a trip down memory lane and review how former packers coach Dan Devine was dealt with

 

[Moonman]

Boycott merchants,
Lobby the Mayor, City Council, Law Director, Service Director,
Turn the light and opinions on the Chief.

 

[Lost Lake]

Please tell us what City this is in so that we can start a letter writing campaign. The NRA and other gun rights groups should be picketing the Police Station, and he should be getting as much negative press as we can generate. You are correct he should not use his position to mold behavior to his way of thinking...but isnt that what all good marxest do?

I was notified by the WGO, Wisconsin Gun Owners group. The video is about 30 minutes long and kind of boring, but the officer is being interviewed by the Post Crescent Digital Newsmakers, and my bad he is not a chief, but a captain. I have no idea what the difference is in Leo rank, we have captains in the army but chiefs are in the navy!! This captain is the commander of the souther district. The city is Appleton, WI a city about 30 miles from Green Bay (Go Packers!) . He has been tasked with developing the new procedures for the CC law that goes into effect in a couple of days.


From the video: Note also that Capt. Nyman says that all public buildings in Appleton will post to prohibit concealed carry (a citywide de facto suspension of constitutional rights).

Please let me know if you think this is absolutely nothing or if I took this wrong... At about 21 minutes into the video is where the Captain says all city buildings will be posted and UNFORTUNATELY parks cannot be posted, and then he says it's unfortunate from a SAFETY standpoint that they cannot post city parks.

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