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You generally get what you paid for. In this instance the store hired a "security guard" who probably had no formal training, no experience, little common sense, and was paid minimum wage. Give some people a little authority and things like this happen. A moment that could have been a win/win for everyone, a lesson for the girl and good pr for the store, instead turned into a real mess. And I wonder if he was carrying a gun. Now that's a pleasant thought.
 
What Steve said...

Nobody came out ahead in this incident. I hope the store
makes it right with the family. And I hope the family examines their
own guidelines wrt their little girl. TACC1
 
and just what did he do so wrong? he made the little girl scribble on a piece of paper? i was expecting to read he went hands on, not just "yelled" at her if you can even call it that.

the mother said she doesn't know any better? my 3 year old knows not to do that or steal, also he is in my vision at all times. if anything the parents are to blame here and the security gaurd did his job, maybe it made an impression on the little girl so she doesn't steal again? something the PARENTS should have done already.

i have no problem with the way it was handled, but the parents make a stink because they were called out for being bad parents. what a crock. this is a society of "my feelings got hurt" and its getting old, real quick.

i think she should have been told she was going to jail to be honest. thats what i would tell my son if he had done that.

he did his job, now he will lose it, so stupid.:mad:
 
Hey! Whats the real average a leo make a year? 50 G? You think a burger king or safeway pay a guard that? Okay, the guard got fired. How about sending him to the pen too? First, I dont belive everything I read. You could write the same story and put different spins on it. Maybe the guard was a unemployed child physcholgest and thought he could give a good free life lasting lesson to the kid. He probley wasnt, yet if he was, couldnt that be not only a good defendse, but the truth?
Any news reporter can and many will spin things to fit their pre conceived prejudices.
 
Kanewpadle said:
You might have a good point there Dave.
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very well may be, hence the reason mommy says the little one didn't know any better. momma doesn't know any better either.

but please stop bashing the security officer, he really didn't do anything wrong. he didn't touch her, he didn't yell, all he did was show the little girl what she did was wrong, since her parents can't do it.

really, what was his fault here? what would you do? talk to the parents so it falls on def ears? just shoot her a smile so now she knows mommy does it and the security re-enforces it being okay?

seriously what was so wrong with how he handled it?
 
An old gentleman I once knew own a little mom & pop neighborhood market.

He told me of a family that came in once or twice a month for groceries.

"They'd start opening snacks and cold drinks as soon as they got in the store and eat the whole time they shopped. All of them." he tells me.

"When they got to the check out, I just rang up 5 or 6 bucks to start with, just to cover what they had already ate up!"


And yes, the guard didn't handle it all that badly...But it's a tough call dealing with kids anyhows.


Su Amigo,
Dave
 
4 yrs old or not , I'm tired of these modern parents and their "They're only X yrs old , they don't know no better!" They'll be using the same line at 24 yrs old.

'They' don't know any better because the parents don't teach them wrong from right!

Even at 4 yrs old , I got my hands smacked by my parents , grandmom , older brother & sister , and told don't touch anything that doesn't belong to me.
 
Eh. Guard was a contract employee. That means that they got him from one the guard companies or agencies. We used to use one such company at a slum - er apartment development - that I worked at. Until one of the guards was caught touching kids on the playground in a dubious manner. Generally to get hired, assuming the guard company is thorough, you just have to remember to mark "no" on the personality test question about whether you hear voices in your head. I did a stint in private security myself btw. Some of the national companies actually do a background check, but some of the... er... less well funded... companies don't always bother.

Anyway... four years old is well below the legal threshold for "knowing" what is a crime and what isn't. It's also below the age when one can sign a binding a contract. Technically you can quite literally get away with murder at age four, so I suppose the kid could have stuck the pen in the guard's eye if she wanted to. Safeway also can't force a person to sign anything. (Nor can a private party coerce someone into what amounts to a confession of wrong doing/criminality and then have that confession be held up as "legal".)

But lack of common sense - ie "excuse me Sir/Ma'am, I'm afraid that we'll need you to pay for that item" - and off the guard goes to some other menial wage job.
 
I raised both of my boys with the same warning, "If it ain't yours, leave it alone!" They both still remember it.
 
back in the day, if you got "disciplined" for misbehaving outside of home and was dumb enough to go home and tell your parents….you got a double dose.
 
GatorFarmer --- touching kids on the playground in a dubious manner.[/QUOTE said:
"In a dubious manner" is the only way I ever touch kids, no matter whose they may be. They are generally sticky, drooly, snotty, or worse; grab at eyeglasses, earrings, other baubles; are often vectors for communicable diseases endlessly recirculated in classrooms and on playgrounds --- not touching kids is sound policy!
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Let's see... Safeway security observes a 4-year old little girl eating a dried apricot then putting the bag back on the shelf. Security guard doesn't tell the unaware father but rather maintains surveillance until the father finishes shopping and leaves the store, where he then apprehends the little girl for eating the apricot. Security guard then escorts the little girl to the detention and interrogation center (aka 'break room') where he advises her that the store will be pressing charges, and that she must sign a document stating that she understands she's been banned from all Safeway stores.

Gee... I can't understand why Safeway management was appalled when they learned of this and fired the security guard. You'd think that the the security guard would have been praised, decorated, and given a promotion for being able to apprehend the apricot-eating bandit absent the use of lethal force.
 
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ChattanoogaPhil said:
Gee... I can't understand why Safeway management was appalled when they learned of this and fired the security guard. You'd think that the the security guard would have been praised, decorated, and given a promotion for being able to apprehend the apricot-eating bandit absent the use of lethal force.
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Yes, we must do something about these 4 year old apricot-eating bandits. If something isn't done soon we'll have 4 year olds stealing cars, or guns, robbing banks. As parents we all know the devious minds of these young felons, how clever and resourceful they are. Write your representative now and demand new laws to clamp down on this mini-felons. After all, why should anyone have to sit down with this little girl and talk to her about right and wrong, respecting other peoples property? So what if her parents never did so? She's still responsible and should be punished to the full extent of the law. If only we had a Texas judge with a belt.
 
ive done security guard wrk in my past. i would of just been like, approach the dad, & tell him handle your business dude. you gotta watch out for other ppl, i wouldn't of made some 4yr old sign some bs paper like that. hello safeway security here, more like hi welcome to psychos r us. trust me ive met plenty of the co workers there in my past and, boy i tell yah, i was 18 or 19 at the time, i needed a job, experience, and so on, ive met some good ppl there, but some of them were really just plain out of there mind. when i read this story it reminds me of a sup. his name was richard team psycho r us...
 
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I don't have any problem with the security guard. I have two boys and they both knew at 4 years old that you don't even touch anything at the store until you ask me or mom first. I knew better at that age too.

Stealing is stealing. Mom and dad of this little girl ought to be deeply embarrassed rather than incredulous over the incident.
 
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