Militart can arrest citizens without due process?

[Shooter6br]

Read this if you think it aint so..http://www.prisonplanet.com/senate-...d-even-after-they-had-been-found-innocent.htm


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[NE450No2]

This should not be allowed to be passed into law.

One of the things that seperates the USA form every other country on the Planet is that the Military has NO Power in the USA.

Also there is No Law Enforcement Agency that is under direct control of the President. That should NEVER be allowed.

Law Enforcement in the USA is under local city, and county control.
The Federal Agencies are really Investigative Agencies...

Most Federal Agencies have actually outstripped their actual granted powers... They need to be curtailed a bit...

 

[AZretired]

I think if you read the actual proposed legislation and nolt just some article, you will find this was not true. As I was told this law did not apply to US citizens.

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[son-of-a-gun]

I think if you read the actual proposed legislation and nolt just some article, you will find this was not true. As I was told this law did not apply to US citizens.

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The president can, however, order the execution of US citizens without due process.

 

[pharmer]

The president can, however, order the execution of US citizens without due process.

Especially if they have it comin'. (AwLaki, etc...)Joe

 

[jlrhiner]

The president can, however, order the execution of US citizens without due process.

Who told you that?

 

[nawilson]

The president can, however, order the execution of US citizens without due process.

Dropping a bomb on an enemy combatant in a foreign country doesn't exactly qualify as an execution.

 

[auburn2]

Also there is No Law Enforcement Agency that is under direct control of the President. That should NEVER be allowed.

What?

The entire Justice deparment and DHS are under direct control of the president. That includes the FBI, ATF, DEA, Marshals service, secret service, border patrol, ICE and the Coast Guard.

Other law enorcement agencies under direct presidetial control are DCIS, NCIS, CID, AFOSI, and DOE.

The only Federal law enforcement agencies that are not under presidential control are the Washington D.C. police and the inrependant councils or special investigators appointed by congress (when appointed).

 

[thndrchiken]

It would require suspending The Posse Comitatus Act, which requires an act of Congress. I highly doubt that would happen with the current congress and potential that the tea party has in regards to constitutionality. The whole reason the election cycle's were set up the way they are is to prevent a monopoly of both houses for prolonged periods.

 

[remat457]

It would require suspending The Posse Comitatus Act, which requires an act of Congress. I highly doubt that would happen with the current congress and potential that the tea party has in regards to constitutionality. The whole reason the election cycle's were set up the way they are is to prevent a monopoly of both houses for prolonged periods.

Actually, it was effectively nullified by the John Warner Defense Act in 2007, although in theory it does require some sort of "event" to activate its Presidential emergency powers.

 

[OIF2]

What's a "militart"?
Bob

 

[CelticSire]

What's a "militart"?
Bob

MILItary popTART = MILITART

 

[enjr4444]

Actually, it was effectively nullified by the John Warner Defense Act in 2007, although in theory it does require some sort of "event" to activate its Presidential emergency powers.

Correct. The Posse Comitatus Act was suspended by the Warner Act. You can be arrested, held indefinitely without judicial review or trial. You get a completely new life in Cuba.

It has been used 4 times to date. Many will/would say so what, they "probably" deserved it. That is unless you consider that you could be number 5.

You really should also understand that they can act on reports from other private citizens. That's right, you're next door neighbor can get you gone.

It is sad to note that so many US citizens are ignorant of what our government is up to.

Ed

 

[machz1]

I think if you read the actual proposed legislation and nolt just some article, you will find this was not true. As I was told this law did not apply to US citizens.

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wrong. the president signed a spending bill into law that had the clause in it. the military is ALLOWED and expected to arrest and detain US citizens inside our borders without due process if they are deemed to be a terrorist. originally he said he would veto it if it had this clause but apparently HIS spending money was more important than the US constitution.

 

[stumper]

My nephew is a Captain in the Air force he claims this is true. By virture of being a Federal officer they have the authority of making arrests of US citizens on US soil ...

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Correct. The Posse Comitatus Act was suspended by the Warner Act. You can be arrested, held indefinitely without judicial review or trial. You get a completely new life in Cuba.

It has been used 4 times to date. Many will/would say so what, they "probably" deserved it. That is unless you consider that you could be number 5.

You really should also understand that they can act on reports from other private citizens. That's right, you're next door neighbor can get you gone.

It is sad to note that so many US citizens are ignorant of what our government is up to.

Ed

I brought this up before regarding the 2nd Amendment. This is in direct violation of the constitution, yet the public appears unconcerned. Question: Who determines the definition of "terrorist"? If the government can suspended this right, what's to stop them from suspending the 2nd Amendment? Or any of the other amendments? Our government is, for all practical purposes, re-writing the constitution and we're allowing this?

 

[enjr4444]

I believe the rationale behind this law (and the trampling of the Constitution) is that is that to bring you into court the Government would have to reveal how they obtained the information. In-turn, that would reveal classified information about their methods and informants. That in-turn, would be harmful to the best interests of the US, etc., etc., etc.

Ed

 

[Steve in Vermont]

I believe the rationale behind this law (and the trampling of the Constitution) is that is that to bring you into court the Government would have to reveal how they obtained the information. In-turn, that would reveal classified information about their methods and informants. That in-turn, would be harmful to the best interests of the US, etc., etc., etc.

Ed

Throughout history governments have been using this rationale to usurp their constitutions. "In the interest of the people", "for the safety of the republic", "in order to guarantee our freedoms". It all starts the same way, slowly with minor changes. Soon these become accepted and others follow. It's a slippery slope we're on but few realize it.

 

[CelticSire]

By virture of being a Federal officer they have the authority of making arrests of US citizens on US soil ...

Not quite. He is an Officer in the US Air Force, he is NOT a "Federal officer". Not even close to the legal definition of a "Federal officer". He has the authority to apprehend, not arrest, and that authority derives from the Uniform Code of Military Justice. As such, it only extends to those also covered by the UCMJ. I can't speak for other states, but if he were to attempt an "arrest" of a US citizen not in the military in Texas and justified it by stating he is a Federal officer, HE would be the one behind bars.