Why so much creep in 15-22 triggers?

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

How are we defining "creep" here?

Creep is the movement you feel when the sear is actively sliding (metal to metal) along the sear notch. It is not the same as "take up". Take up doesn't bother me personally; creep does.

I have seen very little variation in the S&W AR type rifles' triggers in terms of the amount of creep (I have not handle the expensive Smith though). The ones I've seen have tons of creep. People will argue it's a "battle trigger" and there is some truth to that. As a rapid fire battle rifle, creep is not much of an issue.

 

[rraisley]

Creep is the movement you feel when the sear is actively sliding (metal to metal) along the sear notch. It is not the same as "take up". Take up doesn't bother me personally; creep does.

That's my definition, and I agree.

I have seen very little variation in the S&W AR type rifles' triggers in terms of the amount of creep (I have not handle the expensive Smith though).

In that case, my 15-22 has almost no noticeable creep. And I'm used to target/good triggers, having 3 competition guns.

But even when a gun has a lot of movement, I'm not sure it affects your accuracy that much. I have a Kahr PM9, a very compact carry gun. It has the longest trigger stroke of a "double action" semi-auto that I know of. By our definition, this would be considered "creep". But I find that I shoot this /extremely/ accurately for such a small gun. Like any gun, it's supposed to surprise you a bit when it goes off, having been pulling evenly on the trigger. It just moves more in the process. No big deal (for me at least).

 

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

In my experience, guns with a lot of trigger creep can be shot accurately. But it takes a diciplined trigger finger. It is not easy. The same is true of an excessively heavy trigger. And as I mentioned, most of us will do better with a better trigger. IMO, it can be mentally tiring slow firing for groups with a very creepy trigger. Maybe I'm weird?

 

[Gopher Slayer]

In my experience, guns with a lot of trigger creep can be shot accurately. But it takes a diciplined trigger finger. It is not easy. The same is true of an excessively heavy trigger. And as I mentioned, most of us will do better with a better trigger. IMO, it can be mentally tiring slow firing for groups with a very creepy trigger. Maybe I'm weird?

I understand completely, but I know I'm weird.

 

[Majorlk]

In my experience, guns with a lot of trigger creep can be shot accurately. But it takes a diciplined trigger finger. It is not easy. The same is true of an excessively heavy trigger. And as I mentioned, most of us will do better with a better trigger. IMO, it can be mentally tiring slow firing for groups with a very creepy trigger. Maybe I'm weird?

Agree on all points - including the weird part! Join the club!!!

Seriously, why endure long creep and a heavy trigger when there are so many options? If one doesn't want to invest in an after-market trigger (a far better upgrade, as far as I am concerned, than replacement stocks, rails and back-up sights), then any decent AR-specific gunsmith can make huge improvements in the stock trigger.

Heavy and creepy triggers are for the cheap and/or lazy.

 

[dan01]

At better than 3 touusand rounds now my trigger don't got no bad creep.............I ain't buying special springs or trigger kits and I ain't paying a gsmith big bucks to fix what ain't broke.......No way I am going to put 3 to 5 hundred dollars into a trigger on a 5 hundred dollar rifle.

 

[hkyplr]

Agree on all points - including the weird part! Join the club!!!

Heavy and creepy triggers are for the cheap and/or lazy.

Guess I am cheap and lazy.... . Although I wouldn't characterize my trigger as heavy and creepy...

 

[Majorlk]

At better than 3 touusand rounds now my trigger don't got no bad creep.............I ain't buying special springs or trigger kits and I ain't paying a gsmith big bucks to fix what ain't broke.......No way I am going to put 3 to 5 hundred dollars into a trigger on a 5 hundred dollar rifle.

I guess you haven't done much trigger shopping.

Jard triggers, both adjustable and non-adjustable as well as single and two stage triggers are all under $150. Their drop-in module is $230, though. There are others in and around that same price range. Trigger work by a good gunsmith runs well under $100 in most cases, if all they are doing is polishing and changing sear and hook angles.

As I have said in other posts, it all depends upon whatever makes you happy.

 

[Majorlk]

I also think there are a lot of first time shooters who have a 15-22 as their first rifle/firearm who don't know that a creepy, 7 lb trigger is not the norm and they don't know that there's something better.

 

[w0ady]

yup i believe i fall in that camp. im looking forward to shootings some pistols and rifles with nicer triggers before i decide to spend more than $10 on new springs and some diy polishing.

 

[Majorlk]

yup i believe i fall in that camp. im looking forward to shootings some pistols and rifles with nicer triggers before i decide to spend more than $10 on new springs and some diy polishing.

Too bad you aren't close. I'd love to let you try my Mkll (20 oz) and my High Standard (14 oz). Zero take-up, zero creep zero over travel. Spoils one in a BIG hurry!

 

[w0ady]

well if im ever in the area, ill let you know.

my buddy jon whos also on here has a nice selection of toys, we just need to set up a range day sometime.

 

[dan01]

You folks finally scared me into it......I'm headed to the Trigger Creep Store tomorrow.


Weather I need it or not.....popping those 3" clays at a 100 yards yesterday convinced me my trigger is creepy.