I miss the good ol' cars...

Maybe maybe not. I dont completely doubt you but doesnt the Preus run on the electrical up to 25mph? The rest of the time on gas. A 1.5ltr engine gets better gas mileage then a bigger engine? Even if not completely correct i dont live on the highway and to get to one is an avg of 15 miles. A performance car doesnt get that great of mileage in the city. And if youre right we should be buying high performance cars to save gas?

As far as cars go i couldn't care less what ut looks like and what people think. Prius or not. To me its what fits my wallet. Cheap to maintain, cheap to drive and excellent resale value. I weight 165lbs and 99.999% of the time im the only one in my car. I dont need a 4 door car or a big one to get me around. A truck or a 4 door sedan will do the same as a small economical car but will coat more to run.

my argument is based on the engineering definition of efficiency. That being maximum work for a fixed quantity of fuel invested. The prius is a sixpack of lies where the engine at somepoint is both propelling the car and charging batteries which it will use to mask the waste later when you can say "look im moving without any engine at all" well you already spent the fuel beforehand to make that 10 minute fantasy happen.
of all the alternative cars out there, the volt seems the most honest where it eats the batteries until the engine has to take over. Properly managed, it's the last word in town, potentially using no gas what so ever (though it'll show up in your power bill later)
On those long country roads and freeways, both the volt and prius theories totally fall apart, where any decent little sports car can take them to school over the 11% transfer loss.
I wonder what Audi will do with the technology used at Le Mans. Not sure how they implemented Hybrid concepts in their cars but they did put in one heck of a show leveraging the potential of electric. can't say as to how it drank fuel though.
 
This is my modern day retro car. It's not a speed demon, but the 5.7 HEMI is probably pushing around 400 h.p. with a few mods that I've done. It's a nice driving car and you can get 5 people in it.

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I know I'm going to ruffle a few feathers, but.... I really don't remember those old cars being all that good. They were big, ill handling, slow, and unrefined. They looked good though, they most defiantly had style, but really that's all they had.
 
Try keeping a 1972 MGB running :D Gotta love the English!!

I had a Triumph GT6 in the 70's beautiful car and fun to drive but required LOTS of maintenance. I sold it to a guy after a couple of years, it caught fire shortly after.

I do miss the adjustable opening foot and window vents on the new cars.

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I had a 1977 Pontiac Grad Prix as my first car. Bought it with 62K on the odometer and somewhere north of 156K the speedometer cable broke. Big old school Pontiac 400 (6.6L) with a Rochester Quadrajet carb and THM 400 transmission.

The good parts of the car. 18 MPG highway. Handled great after I replaced the springs and shocks with Midas units. Looked cool. Never used more than a quart of oil every 3K. Never had the engine or transmission apart. Never replaced the rotors or wheel bearings. Could burn tire like a ........er'

The bad. 5 water pumps. 4 fuel pumps, 2 brake master cylinders, 3 alternators, 5 starters, rusted out fuel and brake lines, major body rust, electric choke failed, 2 headlight switches, two radiators, a windshield wiper motor and a pinion bearing.

That car made me into a pretty good mechanic (along with several later 1970's and 80's GM cars!!).

I'll take the post 2000 vehicles for daily drivers, though I'd give a nut to have a 1967 GTO Convertible!!
 
And i miss my Bonneville. :o

When i had it, it was Black x 2
Interior,exterior.
Man, it was a sweet ride :cool:

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I almost bought one as my first car back in 97. Some guy had it sitting for sale for something like $3500. It was a driver but thats it. Everything else would need to be slowly replaced.

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my argument is based on the engineering definition of efficiency. That being maximum work for a fixed quantity of fuel invested. The prius is a sixpack of lies where the engine at somepoint is both propelling the car and charging batteries which it will use to mask the waste later when you can say "look im moving without any engine at all" well you already spent the fuel beforehand to make that 10 minute fantasy happen.
of all the alternative cars out there, the volt seems the most honest where it eats the batteries until the engine has to take over. Properly managed, it's the last word in town, potentially using no gas what so ever (though it'll show up in your power bill later)
On those long country roads and freeways, both the volt and prius theories totally fall apart, where any decent little sports car can take them to school over the 11% transfer loss.
I wonder what Audi will do with the technology used at Le Mans. Not sure how they implemented Hybrid concepts in their cars but they did put in one heck of a show leveraging the potential of electric. can't say as to how it drank fuel though.

So their highway mpg drops below 30?

Overall it gets a little over 500 miles on 11.9 galons. My Solara 2.2ltr gets 400 miles on 18 galons. 1.8ltr Carolla 345 miles, 13 galons. Audi A4 2ltr 395 miles, 17gal.

All are 2010. Of course this does change based on habits, weather, terain. But its not like 500 mile all of a sudden turn into 300

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I recall rebuilding a 1965 Corvette coupe, 20+ years back. Had the 365hp 327 v-8, 4 speed, etc. I replaced ALL the body and suspension mounting bushings with harder teflon, added modern shocks, radial tires, and all new springs frt & rear. At some expense and difficulty had the entire suspension/alignment , frt & rear, set up by a Pro.

First time I REALLY ran it through the gears it felt as though it wanted to take off. Had to be careful to keep it in my lane at 100mph.

Then try to BRAKE ASAP. Again...not so linear.

Yeah a beutiful car, makes a lot of good noise, looks neat, nostalgia and all that. But as actual DRIVING machines...they don't hold a candle to most any modern semi performance car.

The old days always seem so much better than actual fact. I'll stick with today.

FN in MT
 
First car 1957 Chevy, 2nd 1965 Buick Skylark, 3rd 1965 Buick Riviera (The ladies loved this one);)

My all time favorite, this is not a picture of mine but a twin to what I owned, the car without a blind spot in it. You know in the early years most people had no idea what a BMW was.

1973 BMW 2002
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I had a used 1969 2002, then a few years later bought a new, 1976 Polaris Silver 2002, 4 speed AM/FM Blaupaunkt radio, installed KONI's and CIBIE driving lights. THE absolute best car I ever owned.

With zero bmw dealerrs within quite a few hundred miles...I sold it before moving to MT in 1979. Regret it to this day.

The little 2002's were one hell of a car!

FN in MT
 
I had a used 1969 2002, then a few years later bought a new, 1976 Polaris Silver 2002, 4 speed AM/FM Blaupaunkt radio, installed KONI's and CIBIE driving lights. THE absolute best car I ever owned.

With zero bmw dealerrs within quite a few hundred miles...I sold it before moving to MT in 1979. Regret it to this day.

The little 2002's were one hell of a car!

FN in MT

Back then it was fun to drive the 2002 around, all other owners would flash their lights, honk their horns and just wave to you. How about some of those colors, orange, lime:D
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i was in the usafss in the 60's and stationed in england. meet my wife and got married. we got around the english countryside in a 1959 nsu prinz....36 hp with 2 cylinders.
 

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Dick, I've got you on Jeeps. Got my first one, a 1949 4x4 station wagon with flathead 4 banger, in 1972. As I recall, the axle ratio was 5.38. Great little pulled but at 45 mph it was screaming along.

Current one is a '72 CJ-5 with 258 six that I restored from a wreck about 20 years ago (20?!).

A friend of mine once referred to my "fleet" as an antique vehicle collection. He was probably right.
 

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