Does a sign prempt your right to carry?

My MN class took six hours, well taught. Here if there is a sign, carry is prohibited.

It's prohibited but the business has to discover you are carrying and then tell you to leave. If you refuse to leave the penalty is a $25. fine and no confiscation of the firearm. MN allows for open carry for permit holders. I think this prohibition would only affect people who open carry and I can't recall ever seeing anyone do so. I have spotted holsters under a cover garment but then I am looking for that. I have never read about a case where someone was discovered and refused to leave here in MN. I get four legal update firearms and the law classes a year from county prosecutors and they have never mentioned a case like that.
 
Next time you in someplace with a sign and a guy with a gun comes in to rob the place, show him the sign, stick your finger in the barrel and use the other hand to tell him to leave, there is after all, a no guns sign.

Said at least partially in jest.....
 
Ironically, in Texas the legal sign for an establishment to prohibit concealed carry is the "30.06" sign. Seriously - the name comes from the section of the state penal code. The other sign in Texas is the 51% sign - 51% of an establishment's sales is from alcoholic beverages.
 
As has been mentioned, in MN the property owner has the right to post "no guns". The repercussions are - should they find out you are carrying - they can ask you to leave. If you don't comply they can call the cops and you are faced with a $25 petty misdemeanor for trespass.

A person so inclined may ignore the sign and keep it concealed rather than leave him/herself unarmed. Personally I take a mental note and avoid the business in the future.

Schools, Federal buildings, courthouses, etc are another matter and it would be best to oblige rather than get the significantly stiffer penalty (felony? can't remember and too lazy to look up as I don't wish to test it anyway).
 
The training I got here in Kentucky said to honor the sign. I always have done so....or simply refuse to give them my business.

Nothing gets people's attention faster than money. Call or write that business and POLITELY let them know that you will not be utilizing their business and that you will actively encourage everyone else you know to avoid them. One person is a pain in the neck, the loss of 50 different clients to a business is a significant financial loss in some economies.
 
I'm torn on it b/c I believe in the rights of businesses to conduct their business as they please, but it ends at denying Constitutional rights, so I end up saying that they shouldn't be able to restrict cc.

See I believe the opposite. My rights on my property trump your Constitutional rights on my property. Be it my house,my car, or my business.

Here the signs aren't legally binding, the owner has to ask you to leave.
 
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See I believe the opposite. My rights on my property trump your Constitutional rights on my property. Be it my house,my car, or my business.

Here the signs aren't legally binding, the owner has to ask you to leave.

When did your rights become more valuable than my rights?
 
I think my rights supercede your rights and you think your rights supercede mine and that's the problem with this situation.There is no one size fits all answer.Kinda like life in general ;-)
 
Very interesting discussion. Just a thought...but what if: Say in the theater in Colorado...if someone had a cc and ended that mans rein of terror with one well placed bullet and lets say...you were not allowed to carry in that theater...so, that someone broke the law. Now, If you were on the jury....how would you Judge the man that broke the law and stopped the terror? I believe in and respect a land owners rights....if your weapon is truely concealed...no one will ever know the difference....and if the time comes that you have to defend your life or another persons life against a terrorist or mad man....and are sucessful ending his spree.....you can hope that people with common sence on the Jury can sympathize with your actions and just picture one of their loved ones exposed to the danger.
 
I can't speak for other states but here in TX if there is a sign with the PC30.06 reference to it you can't carry. If you carry a gun into an establishment that displays that PARTICULAR sign you can be charged with a crime. It's called unlawful carry by licence holder. As a civilian in TX you can carry anywhere with the exception of a few places. As a PO I can carry anywhere except the FED bldgs unless I'm on official business. The only reason I have a CCW permit is to not have to wait for a dealer to make a phone call when I buy a gun.
 
See I believe the opposite. My rights on my property trump your Constitutional rights on my property. Be it my house,my car, or my business.

Here the signs aren't legally binding, the owner has to ask you to leave.

On your property I agree, but this is a weird case where by denying carry on your property (and we're talking business property that is open to the public, I wouldn't carry on your farm or in your house if you didn't want) can deny me the ability to exercise my rights while not on your property.

Of course I can choose to not go there and in my case were it a single place I walk to eat I'd choose another place, but that's tougher if it's a college where you go to school or some other more necessary place like the only grocery in the area, etc.

It's also complicated by the modern reality that we have deemed public businesses as only quasi-private. I'm not defending that decision, again it has good and bad sides, but we have determined that no business can refuse service on basis of race, creed, religion etc. We've decided those things are important enough to breach property rights for public businesses. Of course on your own private non-business property you can do as you choose.

IMO if we accept that infringement for something we believe is the right thing, even though non-discrimination isn't spelled out Constitutionally, it seems reasonable that Constitutional rights should also be so treated within reason. Free speech isn't prohibited explicitly on property but falls under trespass and I'm fine with this doing the same.

Even with all that, if it weren't for the impact no-carry decisions have off the property in question I'd still probably support it being a business/property owner decision, but the logistics of carry mean they can have an impact beyond their property rights.

Like I said, I'm torn both ways. I see lots of gray and no wrong answers. All of us are wanting to protect our basic rights and I support anyone trying to do that even if we disagree on the balance.
 
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With apologies, your post in its entirety reflects an excellent degree of reason and even-handedness -- not to mention humor -- in regards to a complex issue; you are, in short, in the wrong subforum and must leave immediately. :p

I'd like to reassure you that in general I am almost devoid of reason and my sense of humor is somewhere between odd and offensive. In short, I promise to do better in the future so as to be more accepted within this social collective. :D

If nothing else wait till I expound on the benefits of Dremel tools and sanding discs for trigger jobs over in gun smithing. ;)
 
Let me expound on a few thoughts.

Under the property owner issue, if he (or she, I'm trying to be sensitive here), can suspend my rights under the 2nd Amendment, can they also suspend my 1st,3rd,4th etc? And and if so, how did a property owner obtain that power? Food for thought.
 
I ignore such signs and it isn't illegal to do so in this state.

The bottom line is...... Concealed carry means concealed. If they don't know you're carrying, they can't/won't say anything.

As others have eluded to, I would rather break the law and face a judge than be dead or watch a loved one get hurt or worse.

It's a crappy choice to have to make. But those are some of the choices we have to make when carrying a gun.
 
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