Administration Wants New AWB by Jan. 15

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Biden is an intellectual bully of the worst sort and, quite frankly, makes my skin crawl. Case in point:

Never much known for restraint, Joseph R. Biden Jr. did not hold back during a presidential primary debate in 2007 when a voter asking about gun rights in a recorded video displayed a fearsome-looking semiautomatic rifle and declared, “This is my baby.”

Mr. Biden, then a Delaware senator in a dark-horse bid for the White House, shook his head. “I tell you what, if that’s his baby, he needs help,” he said. “I think he just made an admission against self-interest. I don’t know if he’s mentally qualified to own that gun.”

Is this is really the kind of person we want moderating debate over an issue that could, overnight, create an "outlaw" caste of firearms owners if bills like the one that's purportedly going to be introduced by Sen. Feinstein ever reach the President's desk?

You have no idea how much I wish someone capable of beating Biden at his own game would step forward and wipe that smug grin off his face by exposing his ignorance in a televised debate.
 
There are politicians in safe seats that will push for gun control. There are politicians in at risk seats that may be reluctant to vote publicly for a gun ban. Anything that Biden, Feinstein and others in the senate propose will have rough sledding in the house. Also, neither party has enough votes to overcome a filibuster.
 
I like to see this issue disappear by Jan 15, is what I'd like. You would think that they have better things to do than write more ineffective laws that are only felt by law abiding gun-owners. :mad:


A lot of people were very confident that Obamacare wouldn't get pass either, but it did. We've seen that they are capable of ramming things through under the right circumstance, and a roomful or dead kids is something that is going to be hard for the elected class to let lay, not when they've just been waiting for something like this to happen.

Unfortunately, a lot of people in this country seem to think that we should be Canada, or Britain, etc. They have not the slightest inkling or care about what history shows us when government power is unchecked. And more unfortunately, when you use the "to resist tyranny" argument, most people write you off as a loon. I think this quote by Patrick Henry is appropriate for those that think guns will never be needed by the people:

The Virginia ratifying convention met from June 2 through June 26, 1788. Edmund Pendleton, opponent of a bill of rights, weakly argued that abuse of power could be remedied by recalling the delegated powers in a convention. Patrick Henry shot back that the power to resist oppression rests upon the right to possess arms:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.
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O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone...Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation...inflicted by those who had no power at all?"

BTW, A couple of great sources of information:

GunCite: gun control and Second Amendment issues

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Gun bill by Jan. 15?

Do you know what worries me?

When I signed on here there were 21 folks on this forum, as opposed to many, many more on the other forums. Everybody talking about where to buy AR rifles and magazines before the ban. Now I understand that reasoning - it's human nature to get something before it's all gone.

But a gun bill is NOT a foregone conclusion.

Not if we will do our part. I've written my representatives in Congress. Wednesday I will be calling them on the phone. Later I will be writing them again. There won't be a vote by Jan. 15, I would bet. BUT, if there is and a gun control bill passes, it will be at least partially because gun owners spent their time and money panic shopping and moaning an groaning about the inevitable rather than burning up the phone lines, the internet and yes, even the post office with communications to D.C.

PLEASE!

Write your reps NRA-ILA | Write Your Reps, join the NRA and get your fellow gun owners to do the same. THIS VERY MINUTE would be an ideal time to start. Tomorrow most of us have the day off - hey that's a good time too.

Let's get busy and let everyone know that an abridgement of the Second Amendment is not the answer to what happened in Connecticut.
 
They can't even come together to stop the fiscal cliff issue. The American people will already be angry at them when the taxes shoot up through the ceiling...the last thing they want to do is go after ANY guns right now.
 
Remember the healthcare bill nobody wanted? Somehow that got passed. This AWB is a hot button and they will surely pass something really bad. I am sorry to say.
The bad news will be tighter control, the good news, we won't feel a thing in New Jersestan, we've been living in the gulag for years.
 
Comrad, don't be so sure. You will likely see a reduction in allowable mag capacity from 15 to 10. We need to fight this thing. Please contact your legislators.
 
You have no idea how much I wish someone capable of beating Biden at his own game would step forward and wipe that smug grin off his face by exposing his ignorance in a televised debate.


That great philosopher NY Congressional Rep Charlie Rangel once said that a politician looks out the window, and sees a parade, and rushes down to lead it. He does not care which direction it is going.
 
And when they say AWB they mean everything from last time plus more.


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There are politicians in safe seats that will push for gun control. There are politicians in at risk seats that may be reluctant to vote publicly for a gun ban. Anything that Biden, Feinstein and others in the senate propose will have rough sledding in the house. Also, neither party has enough votes to overcome a filibuster.
Do you really believe this. The new Senate will be 55 dems or those who side with demos, ( two very liberal,independants) and 45 Republicans. It takes 60 votes to bust a filibuster. The Republicans could not even filibuster Obama care, because a Republican Semator from Maine voted to,end the filibuster, defecto voting for Obamacare but voting against it when the actual vote came up. Wanna bet she votes to end the filibuster on SWB? One down four to go...
 
I wish my new U.S. senator would hurry up and get on board. Our outgoing one (Hutchison) will vote for this bill, I believe.
 
If anyone thinks this is only about EBRs and "high capacity" magazines, they would be wrong. This is just the opening to a cascade of new restrictions, with the end goal of outlawing the possession of all privately owned guns. Don't stand by and let our rights be voted away!

John Lott's Website: Dianne Feinstein on wanting to ban guns

NRA Online Membership

NRA-ILA | Write Your Reps

Good points! Just sent mass email to my reps. Thanks for the link
Happy New Year!

Chuck
 
Join the NRA now and put your mouth where your money is...

"Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their [party] country"... Charles E. Weller
 
No surprise here, except that they seem positive they can do it. :mad:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/u....html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY

and, in related news:

Sen. Feinstein: US has to


PLEASE, WRITE YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS! YOU CAN USE ONE LETTER FOR ALL YOUR REPS BY USING THE NRA WEBFORM AT THE LINK BELOW. JUST DO IT!

NRA-ILA | Write Your Reps

I did this through the NRA. One thing that really amused me was the fact that I had responses from ALL within minutes. I got the distinct feeling that some kind of robotic computer had keyed on certain words in my letter and sent an appropriate ( canned ) response back to me. I got the feeling that human eyes never read anything !
 
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