ideal small home defense revolver?

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Ok, Lets Be Honest Here, A Revolver Its A Poor Home Defense Weapon, Period. Get A Mossberg 590A1 12 Gauge With The 8 Round Tube. I Use #4 Buck To Reduce The Chance Of Over Penetration And Its A Man Stopper, No Handgun Is.

I won't say that the Mossberg isn't a very good home defense weapon, which it is. However, I do think that saying that a revolver is a poor home defense weapon is a gross overstatement.
 
Everything is a compromise. In this case, mom may be a spry 70, but she will never get stronger or otherwise improve in her physical abilities. The ergonomics of the J frame are not that good: the ability to get a decent trigger in that small frame is limited; the sights are too small to pick up easily and quickly under stress; it's only 5 shots (which will be enough unless it is not) and hard to reload in a hurry, and the felt recoil from many loads is unpleasant because the gun is light. A long gun is a far better choice ballistically, but likely to be an unwieldy pain in the gluteal muscles. The only really good reason to go with a J frame is to have it on her person all the time, which even in the house is a good idea. (She also needs to have doors locked at all times, and a good alarm with a panic alarm and medical call system would also be a good thing to consider.)

Revolvers are easier to teach to a new shooter, especially one who is not into guns, mechanical, etc. Often an autopistol is easier to shoot well, once one is up to speed on the manual of arms, and it is also likely to deliver more ballistic energy with less actual movement in recoil due to the force being absorbed by the action. That issue can only be addressed by taking your mom somewhere and letting her shoot a bunch of guns.

In a revolver, I think a K frame is a better choice than an L frame. Although other posters are right in noting it will absorb recoil better due to weight, she ain't gonna get younger or stronger and it is possible that the L frame would become too heavy to hold and shoot well in the future. Most L frames have that cursed full lug barrel, which in her case may add enough weight to be a real problem in 5 years. IMHO, a round butt with decent grips is more likely to fit her hands and be comfortable to hold and shoot. A 3" barrel is the longest common length in RB until one gets to the newer models (note the 64-5 above is RB and 4"). I think less than 3" is again harder to shoot, with one exception to be addressed in a moment. Fixed sights are simpler, but most S&W fixed sights are hard to pick up in a hurry. There are two answers - the obvious one is adjustable sights, not because they adjust, but due to shape - they are easier to see. The other is an XS big dot swapped on to replace the stock front sight. It may be that the best compromise then is a 2", RB, M15.

I've tipped my hand on caliber. Even in a .357, the choice for her in that setting is almost certainly .38 special ammo. My preference is among the suggestions above - the standard target wadcutter. Square front so it will cut a decent hole; easy to shoot, less noise and flash. A .22 is not BAD, and is better than strong language and strong hopes, but the .38 is far more likely to help her out if she uses it well.

As also noted - training on both shooting and target areas is needed.
 
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I also think a 4" K-Frame is the way to go. I have a Model 65 at my bedside loaded with .38's. To me, a .357 is just too loud in an enclosure and a good .38 SD load will do the job. Honestly though, if I heard someone enter my home , I would probably grab my 870 Tactical 12ga. beside the bed.
 
First thing said, is that S&W is my favorite as I have a safe full, but when it comes to home defense, The "Judge" is the one to own and keep by the bed. My carry is the 60-14 in 357 as I have two of them.
 
Just my two cents' worth. I use to keep a Ruger GP 100
in the bedroom. Found it to be too heavy for sleepy use, and also would be easy to lose control of in a physical encounter. Have had
642 and 442 as night guns, until I got a 12-2, 2" Airweight.
It seemed perfect, until I grabbed for it one night. I actually
fumbled with it, 'cause of small hands and carpal tunnel.
Went right back to a J-frame. I may change to a steel frame
model, for less recoil, but I want to be able to control anything
I grab, when my body is least ready for action.
JMHO, TACC1
 
I've owned assorted S&W, Taurus, Ruger, and North American Arms revolvers over the years, and all have been great performers. Out of the box, I think S&W revolvers have the smoothest triggers, but for ease of carry and simple operation my little NAA .22wmr wins hands down. The stopping power of a .22wmr is generally considered pretty marginal, but I think it will get the job done.

Does your mom want to carry it in her purse as-well-as keep it by her bedside, or just keep it in the house? What are the realistic threats where she lives? Does she live in an area over-run by gang banging thugs, or does she more realistically just need to worry about an occasional prowler/burglar. The reason I ask is that I have worked with thugs for 15 years, and most just are not all that determined and a .22wmr is liable to work just fine. Of course, your basic .38spcl load will pretty much cover all points in between thug looking for an easy target to wacked-out thug who needs to be put down with extreme prejudice.

I think just about any revolver with a two to four inch barrel is gonna work just fine for home defense. The ideal would be to let her pick the revolver, though. Few gun dealers sell garbage guns, but many will try to sell her on more gun than she really needs. Let her try them out, and if she finds one that she likes then don't try to talk her out of it - it's gonna be her gun, so she needs to feel comfortable with it. However, my guess is that she's gonna gravitate to .38spcl or less just because of the weight.
 
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Just my two cents' worth. I use to keep a Ruger GP 100
in the bedroom. Found it to be too heavy for sleepy use, and also would be easy to lose control of in a physical encounter. Have had
642 and 442 as night guns, until I got a 12-2, 2" Airweight.
It seemed perfect, until I grabbed for it one night. I actually
fumbled with it, 'cause of small hands and carpal tunnel.
Went right back to a J-frame. I may change to a steel frame
model, for less recoil, but I want to be able to control anything
I grab, when my body is least ready for action.
JMHO, TACC1

I think that a snubby is just as good as a full-sized revolver for home defense. Better, actually. When you're roused out of a sound sleep, any advantage offered by a full-sized revolver is gonna go out the window because you're probably not gonna be shooting from one end of the house to the other. It's gonna be up close and personal, and you're gonna need to get that first shot off pretty quick. I think that the snubby with it's awesome point and shoot capability is gonna easily beat out a full-sized revolver under such a circumstance.
 
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I know S&W has the Airlight models. Are they all 38 Special, or do some shoot .357 Magnum? For either caliber, how much stronger is the recoil on an Airlight vs a steel body? I'd like to get something for my mom (she's 70, but a stout little 70 - most think she's no older than 55-60). It would be home defense only, not a carry piece for her.

Are there any con's to having a hammerless model?

Short barreled revolvers are almost the worst choice for home defense. This is not an indictment of S&W, but an indictment of all "snub nose" revolvers for the purpose indicated.

The short barrel J frame has a place, but that place is in a pocket for concealed carry. The weapon itself is a compromise between concealability and light weight to make carrying easy. That said, it is not the first choice (or even the second and perhaps not the third) for home defense.

The short barrel J frame, whether in steel, Airweight or Airlight (there is a difference) has all the worst characteristics for a self-defense handgun that is not a CCW piece.

It has less practical accuracy as sighting errors are more greatly magnified due to the short sight radius. The recoil is punishing even for a younger, stronger male. The cartridge capacity is low (5 rounds in .357 Magnum or 38 Special). The double action trigger is heavy and difficult for shooters of most skill levels.

With the advent of the modern "double action only" pistols which are reliable with 5 to 6.5 pound triggers, a trigger pull weight that a revolver cannot match with any degree of reliable ignition, it is questionable whether the snub nose has been rendered obsolete. That said, there are many of us oldies who love revolvers, but as much as I love the J frames, even I have to admit that the Glock 26 or the M&P Compact or Shield is a better choice. The pistols have lighter triggers and hold more ammo. 9mm ammo is perhaps 10% more powerful than the best 38 Special +P and the little pistols hold more rounds - double the capacity or more in the case of the Glock and the M&P Compact. The recoil spring and reciprocating slide of the semi-auto pistol soaks up recoil resulting in less felt recoil than the small revolver.

That said, even the little pocket autos are not a good choice for home defense as they still lack the sight radius, making accurate fire more difficult. Yes, they will do as well in a machine rest, but most of us cannot shoot as good as a machine rest can hold and sighting errors are greatly magnified by the short sight radius.

You indicate your mother is young for her age. That said, you know your mother and her abilities. To me, a double action only auto with no safety levers to disengage and the light trigger pull in 9mm seems a better choice. What you are getting, in effect, is a duty size 15 or 17 shot 38+P. Such a pistol operates like a revolver - if you want to fire, pull the trigger, and if not, do not pull the trigger. Loading or unloading is not a problem either. There are two steps for each type. On the revolver, open the cylinder, eject cartridges; on the auto, remove magazine, clear chamber. The auto has the advantage of only one chamber to check for clear status, rather than 5 or 6. Slide operation is easy if proper technique is taught. That manipulation is a matter of knowledge, not strength.

Thus, I recommend a duty size pistol in 9mm, like the M&P 9mm Full Size or the Glock 17 or 19. If you are dead set in favor of a revolver, then a K frame size in 38 Special, such as the S&W Model 64, which can be fitted with Hogue or other grips to help cushion recoil and better fit your mother's hand.

Here is a picture of an S&W J frame on top of a Glock 26. The Glock holds twice as many rounds, yet takes up the same "real estate." The M&P Compact holds 12 in the magazine and is about the same size. That said, however, I still recommend the bigger, duty size, autos such as Glock 17 or 19 or S&W M&P Full Size.

Take her to a range and let her shoot both types. I did that with my daughters and after trying pistols and revolver, both in "snub" size and full size, including both J and K frame S&W revolvers in 38 Special, and Glock 17, 19 and 26 in 9mm, they both chose the Glock 17. The M&P was not on the market yet. This occurred in different years (they are 3 years apart), and both said the same thing: The pistol was easier to shoot both as to trigger pull weight and accuracy and had less felt recoil. By the way, we did not have CCW at the time, so both were concerned only with self defense at home as opposed to CCW.

Remember, your mother is at least as capable as the female officers at NYPD and other departments who are taught to operate the Glock or similar action auto pistol - Los Angeles County Sheriff issues M&P 9 Full Size to its people, and they also have plenty of women. She can do it. Even if she becomes unable to run the slide now or ten years from now, it is irrelevant. The round is in the chamber and there is no need to run the slide to make the pistol ready. Certainly anyone strong enough to run a 12 to 14 pound J frame trigger with one finger is capable of racking the slide on an auto with the whole hand!

Good luck.
 

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My wife appropriated my 4 inch S&W Model 681 when I put Crimson Trace grips on it. Loaded with .38 SPL +P ammunition it is effective and easy for her to handle. She does not like semiautomatic handguns.

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Home Defense You Want To Stop The Bad Guy, Right Now. Without perfect Shot Placement To The Central Nervous System I Am Not Aware Of Any Handgun That WillDo That. A 12 Guage With #4 Buck Basically Gives You 21 .30 Caliber Bullets With Every trigger Pull. That Will Either Remove Limbs, A Head, Or Stop Someone Dead In Their Tracks At Normal indoor Distances. getting Shot By A Handgun Is Not Like The Movies Where The Bg drops Dead With One Shot, Odds Are With A .38 Special You Won't Even Know You Hit Him Unless It Is A Cns Hit. Just My .02 From 17 Years As A Police Firearms Instructor. HD, 12 Guage, That's What I Have Next To My Bed. I Do Have A Glock 19 In The Closet For The Wife While She Calls 9-11.
 
I agree that a 12 gauge loaded with #4 or 00 Buck is the best option for HD. My wife and I both have Remington 870's for HD. I have a model 64 loaded with +P for my backup and my wife has a Walther PPQ in 9mm for hers.

Now a 70 year old lady may have a difficult time with a 12 gauge but a 20 with Buck would work and be much easier for her to handle.
 
Whatever she wants and feels comfortable with at that age it's her choice so let her handle and shoot some guns if possible. My choice would be a 64,686+,642,maybe even a 28, but hey thats some that I have and just my opinion. So anyways good luck.
 
If I get into a gun fight in a phone both, I don't want a shotgun. I'll take a revolver. I agree that a good beefy 38 special is what the Original Poster needs. I keep a .357 on my night stand loaded with Black Hills 125 gr JHPs. I want to be able to shoot through walls, but that's just me. I have no children or close neighbors. I keep my shotguns in the safe and rely on handguns for home defense. Of course that is subject to change.
 
Actually, if I was to choose a long gun to use in the house, I'd go to an AR first most of the time. For a 70YO woman, the recoil is still negligible, especially compared to any decent shotgun round. Heck, an M&P 15-22 would be a decent choice and I am in fact thinking of one for my wife, who is small and partially disabled. Set the stock short, mount an Aimpoint, load up with any solid .22LR round that works, and one can send a lot of well aimed and delivered damage to the right place quickly.
 
I have a Mod 1917 .45 in the nightstand because that is what my wife is comfortable and confident with. And she is willing to occasionally practice with it. I've tried to get her to "like" the K-frame or J-frame, but she always goes back to the larger gun (which is now known as "her gun" BTW).

She WILL NOT use the 12 gauge and doesn't like working the heavy slide on the 1911. The point is, she must be willing and able to use it. Even a .22 is better than nothing as a woman down here in Georgia demonstrated a couple of years ago when she was attacked in the shower. Yes, the BG made it out of the house and in to the yard before he died, but he got the message right away.

Interesting news about the .38 S&W SD round. I'll be looking forward to that as I have a couple of old timers chambered for it.
 
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Everything depends on Location, Location, and trigger finger strength. In Kodiak Alaska where bears have eyes 10 inches apart you buy what the locals buy.

Comfort level usually goes with recoil and ear damage. Buy her a good set of ear protection (shooting earmuffs)

For a very long time, and probably even today, many detectives and off duty police carry Chiefs Specials.

Buy this one for her and use target wadcutter 38 special cartridges at first.

Product: Model 642LS


Here is a beautiful Ladysmith .357 with a bit longer handle. Still you want to start her out with .38 special target wadcutters. Maybe for home defense a target wadcutter loaded in first two chamber to come up, then 3 of the hard kicking, fire breathing, .357 next so her ears will ring the rest of her days.
The 21 ounces empty is only about 5 or 6 ounces more than the air weights (if memory serves)
If it does not break any bones in her hand and ears when shooting .357 she might like it? Load it with target .38 specials and she will love it.
Product: Model 60LS

My wife loves a full size stainless steel .357 with a 6 inch barrel loaded only with standard 38 special. It points nice in low light and the long barrel gives it about the same velocity as a +P load in short barrel. It also has much lower noise and recoil. (She also has a small J frame S&W .22 revolver she does not talk about that has blue finish and not easy to see in low light). And a few others.
 
I know this is SW Forum BUT

I have a SW 1911 Pro Series, Model 41 1978, and a Model 632, so I love my SW's. BUT for a 70 years old lady who may miss a few times, and may not like the recoil of even a .38, the CZ 83 is a compact 4" barrel which is easy to shoot .It is heavy enough and with its grips that fit everyone's hands it absorbs the .32 auto recoil so its like a .22. It holds 15 shots and my wife has not had a misfire for the past five years when we bought it. The double action makes it safe and it is smooth, so is the single action. I think it fits the bill.


z.82 / CZ-83 pistol (Czech Republic)



CZ 83 - commercial version of the CZ 82 in 7.65x17mm (.32 ACP)


Another variation of CZ-83, with reshaped trigger guard


Cz-83 diagram

Type: Double Action
Caliber 9x18 mm Makarov, 9x17 mm (.380ACP), 7.65x17 mm (.32ACP)
Overall length 172 mm
Weight 920 g loaded
Barrel length 96 mm
Magazine capacity 12 rounds (9mm), 15 rounds (7.65mm)

The Vz.82 pistol is a standard sidearm of the Czech army since 1982. Vz.82 was manufactured from 1983 to 1992, when it was merged with similar commercial design CZ-83 (originally offered in 7.65 Browning and 9mm Browning Short). Since 1992 and until now, only CZ-83 is manufactured in all three chamberings, to save the costs. Vz.82 was developed to replace the obsolete 7.62mm Vz.52 pistols then in service with Czechoslovak army. During early 1980s Czechoslovak army, under pressure from USSR, replaced the older 7.62x25mm ammunition with Soviet 9x18mm Makarov ammunition, which also required a new pistol. Instead of simply taking the Soviet design (Makarov PM) along with its cartridge, Czechs developed their own pistol, which, in some respects, is superior to the "gun of the big brother" (Makarov PM). They also produced their own 9x18 ammunition as "pistolovy naboj Vz.82", which they claimed to be 20% more powerful than standard Soviet 9x18 PM ammunition. The Vz.82 pistol, developed at the CZ factory in Uhersky Brod, has greater magazine capacity (12 rounds vs. 8), better fit and finish, and much better ergonomics. On the other hands, Vz.82 is more complicated and, thus, is more expensive to make. Still, it is an excellent and reliable pistol, one of the best defensive pistols on the market today. It is somewhat heavy by modern standards, but the all-steel construction makes it almost indestructible, and additional weigh helps to control pistol in rapid fire.
Seeing the commercial potential of this pistol, Czechs brought it to the international market under the designation of CZ-83. It is now available in its original chambering, 9x18mm Makarov, as well as in 9x17mm Browning Short (.380ACP) and 7.65x17mm Browning (.32ACP).
The CZ-83 is a blowback-operated pistol with fixed barrel. Return spring is located around the barrel. Double action trigger with exposed hammer has a very smooth pull in both SA and DA modes. Ambidextrous frame-mounted safety locks the slide and sear when engaged, allowing for "cocked and locked" carry. Frame and slide are made of high grade steel. Magazine capacity is 12 rounds, sights are of fixed type and dovetailed into the slide.
 
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