Shield recall

[JFR]

Your interpretation is correct except in one way. That number is not the build date, but the ship date. That is supposed to be the date the gun left the factory. .

Did not know that. Thanks

 

[millisec]

I talked to the S&W rep at the demo days event today. Both the event and the rep were pretty useless. The shields were however back on sale after inspection. I thought I would at least be able to maybe get some mags and maybe some M&P paraphernalia but nada. They had zero shield mags and the other compact and fullsize mags were for the buy a gun get an extra mag deal. Whole event consisted of a pile of M&P's on a couple tables and one guy in the range letting people pop a couple rounds with store rental guns. Place was a little off beat with the Biohazard cleanup truck "the blood cleanup specialists" parked out front from the apparent shooting last night. I had driven past last night and the whole store/range complex was crime taped off and cops still there. Aside from any accidental shootings I don't know about they have had at least two suicide/homicides on the range in past couple years.

 

[Hunter991]

M&P Shield Safety Alert - Smith & Wesson

 

[yanici]

the weight of the pistol is irrelevant, both because the acceleration due to gravity doesn't change based on weight and because in the theoretical scenario the pistol has stopped moving and the trigger has kept going. The mass of the trigger components is what matters because this figures into calculating the force that it can generate to cause it to keep moving against the now stationary pistol. I never said it defied the laws of physics. I used the laws of physics and known values to show what it would take for it to actually happen. Those aren't conditions we're ever going to see. It has been a fun thought exercise tonight, though.

This seems the most logical to me. The gun would probably even shatter with the force needed to fire the gun by impact.

 

[hangnoose]

RECALL/ SAFETY ALERT

POTATO/ TOMATO, semantics. the FACT is there IS an issue. IMO a classic example of trying to build something faster for less $ and the heck with quality and what would work best.

 

[RobzGuns]

Cabelas CS is on the ball. Paid for my shield on wed, safety alert on thurs, pickup date is tomorrow (sat) after the 3 day waiting period. They have already been working to receive replacements for affected inventory and I should receive my firearm on time. Didn't have to do a thing.

Does this mean that they checked all the Shields they had in inventory all were found to be defective, or did they simply do a 'chicken little' and send them back without checking?

Other LGSs out there have simply been testing their inventory, only sending back defectives (if/when found).

 

[Smitty357]

Thanks for this alert. Tested mine and it is fine. How is one supposed to know the date of manufacturer without calling SW?? I have the fired case, so I know when it was tested.

The only "funny" thing about this is the :

"Your firearm will be returned within 5 to 7 business days." Yep sure it will.

I sent back a perfectly functioning SW Walther 380 for the drop recall. It was more like 5 months and the gun did not work when returned. It went back 3 times.

But I digress, I still think SW CS is tops. They had a lot and lot of those Walthers out there.

If you have the original box, the manufacture date is encoded on it.

 

[Hoya7127]

Does this mean that they checked all the Shields they had in inventory all were found to be defective, or did they simply do a 'chicken little' and send them back without checking?

Other LGSs out there have simply been testing their inventory, only sending back defectives (if/when found).

It seemed like they checked to see if they were defective and were replacing the ones that were. They confirmed that mine was defective.

 

[shawn mccarver]

interesting post, but I still don't buy it. The mass of the trigger bar and trigger and any other part involved that would in theory keep moving towards the rear once the pistol frame and slide stopped upon impact with the ground is so small that it would require a force many many times that of gravity to overcome the resistance that we know of as trigger pull weight. Given a 5 pound trigger pull and assuming the total mass of the trigger bar and moving parts is 100 grams, it would take an instantaneous force roughly 22 times that of gravity to offset the trigger pull weight. The trigger and trigger bar don't weight that much, this still ignores that the same force would actually be acting on all other internal parts and would likely increase trigger pull (think large force applied perpendicular to direction of travel of striker block making it more difficult to move it out of the way), and the applied force wouldn't be instantaneous but would be spread out over the time it takes for the trigger and bar to travel (think catching an egg vs. letting it hit your stationary hand. the egg has the same inertia but the force applied to it and the results are not the same). The time factor alone would increase the actual force needed beyond the 22g's by a great deal. It's too far fetched, the physics just don't back it up that this is even possible.

The cool part about this is that all you have to do is call up Gaston Glock, Joe Bergeron over at S&W, Dave Williams at Springfield and the engineers at Ruger, Walther, and all of the other companies that make striker fired pistols.

You can present your information and I am sure they will realize how silly it was to build in this obviously unnecessary feature.

Since having an articulating trigger or a little hinge in the trigger requires extra little springs, pins, etc. the devices add unnecessary cost to the pistol, and conceivably increase the chances of a parts breakage or malfunction.

I bet as soon as you show them your theory, these "dim bulbs" who designed all of these pistols will wonder why they did not hire you to consult on the design of their pistols, and they will redesign their models to take out the obviously superfluous parts.

I mean if it truly is impossible, the parts are not necessary, right? Even as a precaution?

 

[Rastoff]

Anybody really know what the issue is? Did they forget a spring?
Does the spring break?
Is there interference and the hinged part binds?

What is the real issue?

I have one Shield on me and it works like it should. The others are out and about today, I'll check them tonight.

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Did you look at the link? Here it is again: M&P Shield Safety Alert - Smith & Wesson
S&W has explained every aspect of this issue in there.

Those aren't conditions we're ever going to see. It has been a fun thought exercise tonight, though.

So, let me get this straight, you believe that it is impossible for an M&P to fall or be struck on the rear with enough force to generate 22g's, is that right?

 

[blujax01]

POTATO/ TOMATO, semantics. the FACT is there IS an issue. IMO a classic example of trying to build something faster for less $ and the heck with quality and what would work best.

Errors occur even with the finest of manufacturing techniques and components. There is a phenomenon known as "diametric tolerance" wherein two interconnecting pieces can each be within tolerance, but if one is at the extreme minimum and the other at the extreme maximum, it doesn't work out. This is a classic example of the fact that things are not always perfect. And anyone expecting absolute and total perfection in a firearm and zero mistakes in a million units should be prepared to spent much more than $450.

And there is a HUGE difference between a safety bulletin and a recall. You know it as well as I.

But I waste my breath. Too many folks need to feed the drama and will perpetuate the myth until the next news cycle brings something else bigger and juicier.

RECALL RECALL RECALL

YOUR SMITH AND WESSON WILL SELF DESTRUCT IN 5 SECONDS

RECALL RECALL RECALL

THROW THEM ALL AWAY BEFORE YOU HURT YOURSELF

I'm out.

 

[crice8]

I checked mine earlier and it is functioning perfectly. For reference HBB***
Off to the range I go.

 

[fallhunter]

Just got a call. All shields recalled.

Is it really a big deal? I was told not to even shoot the gun. I really don't want to send my baby in. Are any of you taking this with a grain of salt?

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[fallhunter]

How do you know that guy who started that thread isn't an idiot? I also noticed the linkback to this thread, so we are going around in circles over a rumor started by someone who has not provided a source. Even then, his source could also be flawed.

I just bought one and just got a phone call from my dealer. Its on the Smith&Wesson web site as well under safety.

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[Old cop]

A friend sent me an email that S&W put a notice on their site. I don't have a Shield, but there is a batch that have a problem that can cause the gun to fire if dropped. Check out the S&W site.

 

[motomed]

The cool part about this is that all you have to do is call up Gaston Glock, Joe Bergeron over at S&W, Dave Williams at Springfield and the engineers at Ruger, Walther, and all of the other companies that make striker fired pistols.

You can present your information and I am sure they will realize how silly it was to build in this obviously unnecessary feature.

Since having an articulating trigger or a little hinge in the trigger requires extra little springs, pins, etc. the devices add unnecessary cost to the pistol, and conceivably increase the chances of a parts breakage or malfunction.

I bet as soon as you show them your theory, these "dim bulbs" who designed all of these pistols will wonder why they did not hire you to consult on the design of their pistols, and they will redesign their models to take out the obviously superfluous parts.

I mean if it truly is impossible, the parts are not necessary, right? Even as a precaution?

see here's the thing, there's lots of people like you who would rather believe what you just know to be true than to listen to reason and data and come to an educated conclusion. Lots of people like you think these things are necessary parts of a drop safety and can't fathom that they'd be included for other reasons. It's a lot easier for S&W and others to keep on including these things in case some people like you end up on a jury, or don't buy their stuff because it doesn't have that thing like the glock does....

I could just as easily ask you to call up those who make striker fired pistols without these things and explain to them how foolish they are. Bet they'll invite you in to design a fancy trigger that satisfies you ASAP as well. After that, call S&W and ask why such a necessary feature with potential flaws isn't actually being recalled across the board? It's almost like they know it's not actually an issue....? If you're still not convinced, and actually believe this is about the inertia of the trigger, call up every gun manufacturer ever regardless of action and ask why they don't have a hinged trigger. If it's really about the inertia of the trigger... hammer fired guns have triggers.... better not drop an LCR, no fancy trigger!!!

As to your question of whether or not the parts are necessary... to keep the thing from firing when dropped? Not a chance... To appease folks? yes, apparently. I've also said before they could provide some element of safety in a situation where something like a drawstring gets caught on the trigger.

and for whoever asked, I'm sure you're about to quote to me some nascar crash that recorded X number of G's greater than 22.... now tell me how long that was sustained for? I'm not about to do the math, but given the way the situation would actually play out with parts moving and time passing, the amount of force needed to fire would be far greater than the 22g. as someone pointed out, this force would likely destroy the entire pistol anyway.

 

[tonesurfer]

Mine has a test fire date of 1/8/2013, HAS####, and no problems.

 

[dullh]

Go to the S&W website, look at the recall notice and inspect your pistol the way they show you how to in the notice. Mine doesn't need to go back. Yours might. Problem solved.

 

[ibewbull]

M&P SHIELD Safety Alert and Inspection Prodedure - YouTube

I found this video.

 

[jadek669]

Good grief. I would have thought this horse would have been buried by now. I thought I heard what I thought I think you said. Enough already. Nobody on here can do thing one about another persons weapon. It is about the Shield and NO other S&W or other brand. Rant over, Babble On