Illinois rules at Indiana "Rural King" stores

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This post in purely informational for members here to use in making their own decisions where to shop.

I work in a mostly rural area of Indiana north of Bloomington. We have stores in this area called “Rural King”. They are mostly farm stores, but also have always had a sporting goods department. I drive by 3 of them every day I work, and while I am not a farmer obviously, I have purchased hardware, tools, a compressor, and some clothes there over the last 10 years. In general it is a decent place to shop. I heard that they had recently started selling firearms in addition to the ammo, accessories, safes, etc. that they had always carried.

While I was off today, I stopped by one in a community near home to see what they had. They had a selection that was better that some of the smaller gun shops in the area. Prices were not great, but not bad either by “post-recent idiocy” standards at least. They had some ammunition that I could use in stock, so I had about $200 worth ready to purchase when I decided to ask to see a lever gun that I have been thinking about picking up.

When I asked about seeing it, the salesperson, who was very polite and professional about it, gave me the low down on their procedure for looking at any firearm. Every firearm of any type, had a trigger lock bolted on. Customers are not allowed to open the actions. Customers are not allowed to check the triggers or safeties. Basically, you can hold it, and look at it. If you want to check the trigger or safety on that $1000 SIG 1911, you buy it first and check it after you leave the store. But before you can even look at it, you have to give the sales clerk your driver’s license. He will first copy it, then file the copy, then open the rack and hand you the firearm while retaining your license in his possession. When you have finished looking at the firearm (without making any moving part move in any way!) you give it back to the salesperson, and he will return your license. The copy stays with them.

When I asked why the ridiculous rules, I was told that it was company policy. Rural King is based in Illinois. This is what they are required to do in Illinois, so it is company policy that they do it in every one of their stores. Is it truly company policy? I don’t know for sure, but that is what I was told.

Again, I am not trying to sway anyone toward or away from any retailer with which they wish to do business. I am only reporting what happened to me today and what I was told, in a Rural King in central Indiana, not Illinois.

My response was to purchase my ammo at a small privately owned shop on the way home where I am treated as a customer, not a potential criminal. I am sure the very polite and professional sales person was not happy about restocking the ammunition, but he will not have to do it again.

Thanks for listening.
 
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We in Il are ruled by anti-gun democrats out of chicago. What more do you expect? Believe me we hate it more than you do. Sadly many chain type stores enforce such silly rules as this , but our Il. State Police are the ones enforcing this type of made up rules.
 
Wow. I grew up in IN, and have a lot of family still there. I'd not heard that about Rural Kings, and appreciate the info.

Joe, here's hoping that things get a lot better for you fast with your new shall-issue rules. :)
 
Thanks for Posting!

Thank you for your VERY informative report. I am originally from Indiana and went to school at IU in Bloomington but I am unaware of the Rural King chain. I think Rural King might as well send all their "for sale" firearms to their Illinois stores as I can't imagine any self respecting Hoosier putting up with such Draconian store policies.

Also, I don't really know what to say to all our friends in Illinois. I didn't realize it was THAT BAD even in the rural counties. I feel for ya!

Some of our local pawn shops require an id on the counter while handling a fire arm. The clerks barely look at it and they certainly don't make a copy and retain.
 
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Being over in Terre Haute, I've had to put up with minor inconveniences pertaining to Illinois and guns. When I pick up ammo, especially in Clinton, they ask to see my ID, not because they worry about me not being of age, but because they worry about me being from Illinois. I was told rural king was a good place for shotgun ammo. I wasn't impressed with their prices anyway, but I won't be giving them any more money for sure.
 
The Academy store that I DON'T shop at anymore had trigger locks on all their handguns:I didn't notice on the long guns. I was shopping for a M&P40C, & I asked the salesman how someone would be able to tell if they might like a gun or not, because the trigger feel is so important. He just shrugged his shoulders. I left & headed over to a LGS that i frequent & checked one out there. They has no problem with me racking the slide & dry firing. So, even though it was about ten dollars more expensive at the LGS, I bought it there.
 
WOW

next time I'm in Indiana, I know one chain that I'll never stop in... thank for the heads up

if we had to do all that NONSENSE when we gave a customer a gun to look at our sales would be ZERO
 
We have a Rural King nearby also and i have bought ammo there
but no guns. As of the last time i was in there they did'nt sell any.
Good prices on ammo when available.
Hearing this however i will refrain from giving this chain any more
of my money. I can understand wanting to "see" your DL but they don't
need to keep a copy of it unless you are a buyer.
Glad i'm east of you guys in Chicago.
Lord help the gunners in Illinois.

Chuck
 
There is a lot of incorrect information in this thread. Illinois does not require a store to make and retain a copy of a person's drivers license before they are allowed to handle a gun. We are required to ask to see the customer's FOID card if they are an Illinois resident or DL if they are from out of state, we do not copy or record that information unless they purchase the gun as required by Federal law. We do Zip tie the actions closed and put trigger locks on the guns that on the racks for customers to peruse. We are more than happy to undo the tie and remove the trigger lock to allow the customer to work the action and inspect the gun. You are welcome to dry fire the gun and we will provide snap caps if appropriate. We will provide bore lights, magnifiers etc. if the customer wants to inspect a gun more closely.

What is happening with "Rurul King" is their company policy and has nothing to do with Illinois state law. I have worked for 6 years for a large firearms retailer in Illinois and have bought and sold thousands of guns for the company and am very familiar with the legal requirements of this state. The state is not very gun friendly but much of the information contained in this thread is false and does not reflect the reality of the situation.
 
RURAL KING

I had never heard of them before either, but they opened one a few miles from me here in FL. is it perfect? NO. but being in an ammo drought for so long and walking up to a fully stocked ammo dept with no lines was awesome. the only place I could find 22 lr's without driving an hour each way or ordering online, was charging 20$ for 100 cci stingers. Hopefully the competition will bury them quickly. 22 lr availability is still spotty with brands and prices kind of all over. #500 bricks of 22 lr's from 20-40$. bricks usually sell out in a few days and the 1400-1500 round buckets for 60 something $'s only lasted a few hours. firearms knowledge of sales assoc's is dimwit to OK. this am I asked if they had any high brass 20 ga 7 1/2 shot, and got the deer in the headlights stare. luckily I found some mistakenly mixed in with the trap 8 shots and got all 5 boxes I could find for 5.99 each. guns are not in the store yet. IMO competition is good & I'm glad they are here. to the retail gougers, me and a lot of others won't forget, so you better start working on your resume's. NO SYMPATHY from me when you go out of business, YOU EARNED IT!
 
The OP was not intended to imply, nor do I think it does, that any of the rules I was informed of were Illinois law. I was told they are the processes followed in Illinois Rural King stores and being based in Illinois, they have adopted the same policies for all RK stores. This, again, is information conveyed to me by the sales person.

I too have purchased ammunition from them many times over the years. Before they put in the gun counter they actually had all ammunition out on a self serve counter where I could get what I wanted and take it to the registers in the front to purchase.

There is a lot of incorrect information in this thread. Illinois does not require a store to make and retain a copy of a person's drivers license before they are allowed to handle a gun. We are required to ask to see the customer's FOID card if they are an Illinois resident or DL if they are from out of state, we do not copy or record that information unless they purchase the gun as required by Federal law. We do Zip tie the actions closed and put trigger locks on the guns that on the racks for customers to peruse. We are more than happy to undo the tie and remove the trigger lock to allow the customer to work the action and inspect the gun. You are welcome to dry fire the gun and we will provide snap caps if appropriate. We will provide bore lights, magnifiers etc. if the customer wants to inspect a gun more closely.

What is happening with "Rurul King" is their company policy and has nothing to do with Illinois state law. I have worked for 6 years for a large firearms retailer in Illinois and have bought and sold thousands of guns for the company and am very familiar with the legal requirements of this state. The state is not very gun friendly but much of the information contained in this thread is false and does not reflect the reality of the situation.
 
and if you don't have a driver's license.... Weird but I've got a LGS here in NJ that won't let you see a gun without first giving them your FID card.
 
It seems to me that having a copy of someones driver's license would be a great start for an identity theft scam.
 
I'm a faithful Rural King shopper and they are a great asset for our community. They have ammo on the shelf that isn't under lock and key. They have a fine selection of gun accessories, archery equipment, fishing gear, complete line of camping equipment, lodge iron skillets, full line of Carhartt, $10 5 pocket jeans everyday and this week they are offering a 12% rebate on any in store purchases. Rural King is a GREAT STORE!

My store doesn't sell guns. I've heard if you buy a gun at Bass Pro they walk you to your car and then give you the gun. What I'm saying is the liability associated with selling guns causes a family owned business to err on the side of caution. I don't like it but I wouldn't risk my business in the climate a business must operate in, these days. And Rural King has had ammo on the shelf throughout the panic. Not 22lr often but 40 S&W, .357 mag, 44mag and just the other day I showed the clerk stocking the ammo aisle how to open a spam can of Russian .223.

Here's a link to this week's ad.
http://www.ruralking.com/salesflyer/20130825/page1.html
 
I also have a local RK and they do not sell any guns that I know of but sell just about anything else you'd need for 1 and when they have ammo they are pretty cheap on the same brands that the LGS carries and gouges you for. When I found some .40 ammo on the shelf and went to pay they only asked to see my FOID and that was it. I don't think they should copy anything but to be honest most online sites want copies of your DL and FOID card in order to purchase anything if you're from IL and all though I understand that it may upset some people it really don't bother me because I don't want the bad guys getting guns too easily myself. I also go to Gander Mountain from time to time and they just ask to see your FOID and you can check any gun out as much as you want, new or used ones. IL does have some really anti-gun rules but if you live here what can you do ? My wife has about 5 years left to work and we are already talking about moving, looking to go to Tenn or MO and trust me it won't be too soon.
 
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I have looked at and fondled numerous firearms, ammunition and gun supplies in Illinois stores for several years and NEVER have any Illinois business retained ANY personal information of mine.

got to keep the record straight.....
 
Indiana now requires a NICS check on firearms bought from retailers. If you choose to put your SS# ( never never never) on the 4473 and the store in question has a copy of your DL, you might as well pencil in mom's maiden name, your firsts GF's name, and the name of your first parakeet when you were a kid.
 
and if you don't have a driver's license.... Weird but I've got a LGS here in NJ that won't let you see a gun without first giving them your FID card.

And yet, you can vote:eek:.....oh well.

As far as RK goes, their store their rules. I would imagine that they loose a lot of business that way though.
 

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