SD9, the Glock killer

[copterdrvr]

And in case anyone is the littlest bit confused, of course no one here is saying that putting the parts together from these two guns would have a chance in heck of functioning and more than likely would be an EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND POSSIBLY LIFE THREATENING experience. I can see a slide/barrel assembly leaving the pistol and heading straight for someone's face/eyes.

I know of numerous times when barrels made by the manufacturer of the pistol in question FOR THAT GUN wouldn't work without being fitted first.

 

[loc n load]

Glock

I was issued a first gen Glock when they first came into the country.....I still have that pistol and it has over 150,000 documented rounds thru it..(the only thing ever fixed on it was the trigger pin which I discovered was in two pieces once when I detailed the gun)....it still worked just fine.....no finish to speak of as it has been in and out of a holster a zillion times....I instructed Glocks for years and been thru their armorer's school..when I was there, they had a G-17 that had been by used by a European ammo mfgr to test fire their ammo...this G-17 had over 300,000 rds thru it...that is amazing....people either love em or hate em......but they work.....forever......I am not real crazy abt their barrels as I have to go to after market bl's to shoot my cast bullets.....but I have Glocks in all sizes and calibers.....and have carried them into harm's way several times......and would not hesitate to "saddle up" with any of mine..... my G 20 & G 30's are my EDC's when I carry a pistol.

 

[S&W45Colt]

Why are the two 'not even in the same league'?
Is it because the SD9 VE is $200 less?

I think that a lot of people dismiss the SD9VE because they
look at the price and say '300 dollars, it can't be any good'.
S&W would probably sell more if they raised the price a little. (Don't tell them I said that, by the way)

I will not disagree with you, that the SD VE is a good gun for the money. However, it's not a Glock in quality. The M&P is the comparable Smith to compare to the Glock. I own both and like both.

The SDVE has a heavier,gritty trigger, it's almost Sigma like in my opinion and I don't think there is a debate in the fact the Sigma had the worse trigger S&W ever put in a gun. I despise a long Semi-Auto trigger and the SDVE certainly has one. A striker fired pistol with a long trigger takes away one of the major advantages of this style of pistol.

The SDVE has not even begun to establish the reputation for reliability Glock has. Before someone says something about Gen 4's, it's 2013, they redesigned the spring and no one's mutter a word about issues since, case closed.

Finally, the major advantage Glock has over S&W is the availability of after market parts, particularly trigger kits that don't require selling a body part to get one. This is not just an SD issue, but still worth mentioning.

If you want to say the SDVE is an improvement over the Sigma, I'll agree. If you want to say it's a nice gun for the money, again I'll agree. But to call it a Glock or M&P comparable gun, much less a killer of either, not in my eyes. From most of the reviews I've read online, not in the eyes of the reviewers either.

But hey, if you like it as much, then you're right, you are getting a super value for your buck. After all for you, your opinion is the one who counts for you.

 

[copterdrvr]

Short BD, I didn't get into my sear assembly for polishing, I did the barrel, striker face and the portion of the slide face that the firing pin protrudes from and that's about it. I dry-fired the heck out of it before the Apex springs showed up and I can't imagine it (or needing it to be) any better than it is right now.

I think SW would do "warranty" work on it (after I put the old springs back in) but that's not the point. I'm not gonna send a gun through the mail, AFTER doing a dance to put it back the way it's "supposed" to be, to change some penny anti part.

I've worked on many different brands of firearms and this has got to be one of the simplest and least complicated ones out there. Just sell me the parts and let me do it myself. If I screw up and "break" something, that's my problem, not S.W.s.

Brownells sells the entire sear assembly for an M.P. for 29 bucks and a striker assembly for 30 bucks. S.W. needs to wake up and offer the parts for the SD as well.

 

[Kanewpadle]

The SD and Sigma guns were built to compete against Glock. They are price point guns. Not meant to be better. Just an alternative for those that are willing to pay less for a gun without Glock's reputation and proven track record.

 

[james45]

That can be fixed. It will cost you about $25, a little time installing springs and polishing parts and your warranty (+ S&W will NOT sell you parts and will rape you on smithing fees )

True and I almost did give up on S&W over the polishing and warranty thing but lesson learned....Ill never buy a used S&W again and when I get a new one then I'm not touching it.

 

[Jswiney9]

All I can say bad about a Glock is that I hate the grip angle and its ugly. Besides that what is there not to like besides its not made in America? Anyone that wouldnt own a Glock just because they see how cool it is to hate them on an internet forum is..... well, ridiculous.

The SD9 has an absolutely horrible trigger and just doesnt have the reputation yet that glock does. They are good for what they were designed for without a doubt..... a cheap self defense weapon. But if we are going to go that route we have to throw HI-point into the contest, they go bang every time and wont die (look up some of the torture tests on those poor things on youtube, WOW) and only cost 150 bucks brand new.

 

[Short Bus Driver]

Short BD, I didn't get into my sear assembly for polishing, I did the barrel, striker face and the portion of the slide face that the firing pin protrudes from and that's about it. I dry-fired the heck out of it before the Apex springs showed up and I can't imagine it (or needing it to be) any better than it is right now.

I think SW would do "warranty" work on it (after I put the old springs back in) but that's not the point. I'm not gonna send a gun through the mail, AFTER doing a dance to put it back the way it's "supposed" to be, to change some penny anti part.

I've worked on many different brands of firearms and this has got to be one of the simplest and least complicated ones out there. Just sell me the parts and let me do it myself. If I screw up and "break" something, that's my problem, not S.W.s.

Brownells sells the entire sear assembly for an M.P. for 29 bucks and a striker assembly for 30 bucks. S.W. needs to wake up and offer the parts for the SD as well.

I didn't get into my sear assembly either, I just polished the contact points that I could get to. I also polished the trigger bar and striker block.

 

[BlackTalonJHP]

Here's a picture of the guide rod assemblies, just as a data point. No, I do not plan on using Glock parts in the SD9 or vice versa. No, I do not suggest or recommend it, I'm simply comparing the two.

Also, I have the opposite experience with my SD9 trigger. Yes, it is a bit longer/heavier pull but it is very smooth compared to my M&P's which were very, very gritty from the factory. The downside on the M&P is that the rear sight must be removed to get to the striker safety, whereas the SD9's is in the same location as the Glock. I find it pretty easy to do a trigger job on the SD series, compared to the M&P

The similarities between the M&P and Glock are the sear and trigger disconnect, which causes the trigger bar to move to the side, rather than slide underneath like the SD9.

As for the Glock Gen 4 problems (recoil springs, extractors), why should we not bring those up? Because they are in the past?

 

[S&W45Colt]

Here's a picture of the guide rod assemblies, just as a data point. No, I do not plan on using Glock parts in the SD9 or vice versa. No, I do not suggest or recommend it, I'm simply comparing the two.

Also, I have the opposite experience with my SD9 trigger. Yes, it is a bit longer/heavier pull but it is very smooth compared to my M&P's which were very, very gritty from the factory. The downside on the M&P is that the rear sight must be removed to get to the striker safety, whereas the SD9's is in the same location as the Glock. I find it pretty easy to do a trigger job on the SD series, compared to the M&P

The similarities between the M&P and Glock are the sear and trigger disconnect, which causes the trigger bar to move to the side, rather than slide underneath like the SD9.

As for the Glock Gen 4 problems (recoil springs, extractors), why should we not bring those up? Because they are in the past?

It was a brief problem, long since solved and not relevant to a Sept 2013 discussion. Looking at Glock's complete track record, it's a blimp in a remarkably dependable gun brand.

 

[Jswiney9]

As for the Glock Gen 4 problems (recoil springs, extractors), why should we not bring those up? Because they are in the past?

Because, unlike some companys who ignore their problems Glock got it fixed and the problem is now irrelevant. Now, if they would just fix that grip angle I would buy another. That really is the deal breaker for me, I am used to shooting 1911's and I carry a ruger SP-101 these days so I have no need for it as an SD gun. Let me also say that I am not a glock fanboy, I dont currently own one, but a reputation like that is hard to beat and Ive shot plenty of different models. I will say my only experience with the SD pistols is from multiple range sessions with an SD40 that I had planned on purchasing as a nighstand/carry gun until I fell in love with my Ruger haha.

This thread is kind of like somebody knocking a remington 870 or comparing a savage SD shotgun to it because it looks kind of like it and costs 200 bucks out the door. Like I said, I have no problem with either but the title of this thread is kind of humorous to me.

 

[S&W45Colt]

Because, unlike some companys who ignore their problems Glock got it fixed and the problem is now irrelevant. Now, if they would just fix that grip angle I would buy another. That really is the deal breaker for me, I am used to shooting 1911's and I carry a ruger SP-101 these days so I have no need for it as an SD gun. Let me also say that I am not a glock fanboy, I dont currently own one, but a reputation like that is hard to beat and Ive shot plenty of different models. I will say my only experience with the SD pistols is from multiple range sessions with an SD40 that I had planned on purchasing as a nighstand/carry gun until I fell in love with my Ruger haha.

This thread is kind of like somebody knocking a remington 870 or comparing a savage SD shotgun to it because it looks kind of like it and costs 200 bucks out the door. Like I said, I have no problem with either but the title of this thread is kind of humorous to me.

I own S&W's 8 to 1 over Glocks, but I'll give them their due.

You need to try Grip Forces Glock Grip Adapter, it's $25, is held on by the trigger pin and changes the grip angle to a 1911 grip angle, it makes a huge difference in shoot-ability.

 

[BlackTalonJHP]

So we should forget about the recalls/issues in the past and only focus on the positive history? Why does everyone give Glock a pass and say they've taken care of all the problems (which if you read GT forum like I do, they haven't) but people are still beating the dead horse of the original SW9F, etc. After all, that was in the past.

 

[Kanewpadle]

So we should forget about the recalls/issues in the past and only focus on the positive history? Why does everyone give Glock a pass and say they've taken care of all the problems (which if you read GT forum like I do, they haven't) but people are still beating the dead horse of the original SW9F, etc. After all, that was in the past.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM!! You been on Glock Talk.

That explains everything right there.

Don't worry or get upset buddy. The SD or Sigma series of guns will NEVER equal Glocks track record.

I'm not a Glock guy. I own one. I like ALL guns. Except the SD and Sigma.

 

[S&W45Colt]

So we should forget about the recalls/issues in the past and only focus on the positive history? Why does everyone give Glock a pass and say they've taken care of all the problems (which if you read GT forum like I do, they haven't) but people are still beating the dead horse of the original SW9F, etc. After all, that was in the past.

I'm also a member of the Glock forum, but will admit, I'm not on there regularly. It's a thing of the past from what I've seen on there.

I own 4th Gen's, zero issues. I know other people who own them besides me, again zero issues. It's just another example of a few people posting the same thing on 12 different forums and making something out of nothing, as far as I'm concerned. I'm sorry, I don't buy into all of the internet rumors. Using your same approach, most new S&W's have a canted barrel and don't buy a Shield because they are all defective. Just because it's said a lot on the internet, does not mean it happens a lot in the real world.

LE Agencies, common people on the internet and most gun writers disagree with your assessments of the SDVE, as well as your thoughts on Glock dependability. I'm not Gaston Glock, I don't feel the need to continue to defend them. Meanwhile, if you like the SDVE, buy several, they are a great deal for you. You're the guy shooting them, others thoughts should not affect your enjoyment of them.

Have a good night, I'm not going to debate this further, I don't think you are going to change your mind and I know I'm not going to.

 

[BlackTalonJHP]

Kanewpadle,
I'm curious as to why you don't like the SD series. Is it the trigger? I also wonder why the SD9 could never equal Glock's track record. I've posted my opinion, and I'm interested in seeing others post theirs.
Also, if you read the OP, I posted where each pistol 'wins'. For those that summarize it with 'GLOCK is better quality', be specific and tell us why. Is Glock steel stronger, Glock polymer tougher, Glock assemblers smarter?
You'd think by some people's reactions that I posted a Glock hate thread. I don't think I'd own a Glock if I hated them so much.

SW45,
Calm down, I never said Glocks weren't dependable, only stating that there were issues with the Gen4's.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Kanewpadle,
I'm curious as to why you don't like the SD series. Is it the trigger? I also wonder why the SD9 could never equal Glock's track record. I've posted my opinion, and I'm interested in seeing others post theirs.
Also, if you read the OP, I posted where each pistol 'wins'. For those that summarize it with 'GLOCK is better quality', be specific and tell us why. Is Glock steel stronger, Glock polymer tougher, Glock assemblers smarter?
You'd think by some people's reactions that I posted a Glock hate thread. I don't think I'd own a Glock if I hated them so much.

SW45,
Calm down, I never said Glocks weren't dependable, only stating that there were issues with the Gen4's.

I simply don't care for them. That's all. If you like them. Good. That's all that matters.

But when someone say's that a SD or Sigma is "Glock Killer" expect some flak.

You and I both know that it will never happen.

 

[S&W45Colt]

Kanewpadle,
I'm curious as to why you don't like the SD series. Is it the trigger? I also wonder why the SD9 could never equal Glock's track record. I've posted my opinion, and I'm interested in seeing others post theirs.
Also, if you read the OP, I posted where each pistol 'wins'. For those that summarize it with 'GLOCK is better quality', be specific and tell us why. Is Glock steel stronger, Glock polymer tougher, Glock assemblers smarter?
You'd think by some people's reactions that I posted a Glock hate thread. I don't think I'd own a Glock if I hated them so much.

SW45,
Calm down, I never said Glocks weren't dependable, only stating that there were issues with the Gen4's.

Calm down? I'm not angry, I'm just bored with the subject and don't see the need to debate it further.

Like I said, have a good night. I meant it when I said it earlier and still do.

 

[BlackTalonJHP]

I'm not forcing you to post. Have a good night.

 

[belizeanboy]

Glock killer? I doubt! if you wanna compare measurements....ok...maybe but even that is subjective. I would first like to see years and years of SD9 high round counts and torture tests before I give a rats $&#&! about the miniscule difference in dimensions


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Exactly. I have a SD9 and started a thread about round counts on this forum to hear from those that are long time owners of the SD9 but got one response. I want to know how these SD9 will stand up with high round counts.

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