James bond, an alcoholic....Really???

Horst Pucky I Say.......

Horse pucky. Tobacco and alcohol do ravish the organs of some, possibly even most men. They do not have that effect on every single man alive. There are too many hard drinking heavy smoking men who live into their 90's.

Any first year statistical student, much less a doctor would understand that. The entire Bond series was predicated on the fact he was no normal or average man, but a man of superior intellect, superior physical prowess, and evidently with superior lungs and liver.

Pick 1000 men at random and have them all drink like the bond character and smoke like bond character and I would venture that at least 10 of them will show almost no effect of those activities. Of course most of the rest of them will be in pretty sad condition.

This is just one more subtle attack on an unprotected minority group, the super spy.
 
Without looking it up, I believe that Ian Fleming died at 56. That is smack dab when the study concluded that Bond would. A pretty accurate study, for once!

If you read, "Thunderball" carefully, you'll see the effects that heavy drinking and smoking had on 007. I think Fleming had been to such a health clinic and reported what he experienced. Bond was almost surely to a large degree Fleming's own fantasy life.

At one time, and even today in Eastern Europe, many men think it more manly to smoke and drink a lot. Macho bluster is common. I had a Romanian acquaintance who told me how men act to her and a Serb has, too. Political Correctness has yet to rear its head in some countries. That's why Putin poses bare-chested for photos and flaunts his hunting and fishing prowess. He also keeps a big dog to support his macho image.
George W. Bush said on Leno recently that Putin looked with disdain at Bush's little dog and made sure that the US President later met his own big mutt.

This sort of posturing also was manifested in the fireside telling of bold deeds by some Amerindian braves after a hunt or a battle. That probably extends back at least as far as Cro-Magnon days.

But Bond didn't drink only alcohol. He also drank coffee, which he preferred to tea, regarding tea as the opiate of the masses, and rather insipid. When telling someone of his Navy days, he said that he was just a "chocolate sailor", probably referring to drinking the Royal Navy's cocoa (more used then in the Navy than was tea) to point out that he was really a spy, not a normal line officer. This is where he acquired his Naval rank of Commander, consistent with Fleming's own rank attained while on Naval Intelligence duties in WW II.

I read the Bond books as a teen and occasionally re-read them. I like them much better than the movies beyond, "Thunderball."

I still have a letter from the real Geoffrey Boothroyd, written on "Dr. No" movie stationery. It's probably worth a lot of money now, and I'll likely offer it soon through an auction house or on e-bay.

None of Fleming's successors has managed to write Bond as well as did the original author. They seem to be basing their books on the movie Bond and incorporating Political Correctness to a degree that would have disgusted Fleming's Bond.

A couple of years ago, "Playboy" ran a feature on Fleming's home in Jamaica, where he wrote the Bond books while on holiday. It showed his typewriter and where he sat to use it, his bed, and the beach off which he spearfished for his lunch on many days. The magazine ran excerpts of his novels when he was still writing, and has done several Bond features since. I still recall the illustrations that ran with the excerpts.

Bond was a creature of his day, but we can still enjoy the thrills he generated in print. I think most agree that Connery was the ultmate cinema Bond, the most plausible. I'd pick Timothy Dalton as the next best. I had formed a mental image of Bond before the movies arrived. It was of Michael Rennie, if you remember that actor. I convert words to film in my mind and "see" what I read. After Connery arrived, I was at first a bit put off, but soon accepted him as the most likely Bond. He came off a little more aggressive and rude than I thought Bond would be, but on reflection, I decided that perhaps his image was right.

Bond almost surely had a rugged he-man image of himself, and Connery made the role his own.

Someone posted above that bit about Bond with a shotgun and another post said that this scene ws in, 'Thunderball." In that film he also used a Remington M-1100 to blast a clay target and seemed surprised that shooting skeet was easier than it looked to the persona that he was portraying. This was right in character for a man whose ego would cause him to reveal skills that the man he was pretending to be wouldn't have.

When Donald Hamilton created his American counterpart to Bond, Matt Helm, Helm also exhibited this trait of seeing himself as a sort of macho superman. Both heroes had some mental swaggering going on. I think this was reflected in their lifestyles and actions. In loose moments, they might even blow their covers through their egos.
 
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Read all the books and loved every minute of it

Howdy,
As a child lucky enough to get the full hardback book club set around the mid 60's, and a lifelong fan, all I can say of the Bond character is that he had a lot on his mind.
A flawed hero with a guilty conscience obligated by duty/country to do bad things for the common good.
Nothing by today's standards but he was a much darker character in the books than the movies, a cold blooded assassin out of necessity but never completely comfortable about it.
I think it was John Gardner who took over writing and made Bond a non smoking, non drinking role model. I'd know if I still had the books but unlike the Flemming books I threw the Gardner books out like the trash they were.
Don't worry about Bond. He will be around long after we are all gone.
Thanks
Mike
 
Klaatu! Wow, he would have made a most erudite Bond.


Yes, but did you see him in, "The Third Man" or as Lord Roxton in a movie version of, "The Lost World"? Jill St. John had the female lead in that movie.
 
Well now, I wonder who paid for this preposterous study.

They probably got 30 million from their Guvment to do it I remember when 2 Scientists here and back about 1993-4, were paid by our Govt $70,000,000 to measure the speed flow of Ketchup. If I would have known someone wanted that study done? I would have done it for $1,000, and I would have paid for the ketchup myself.
 
I've pretty much always thought of *James Bond* *007* as many people - Kinda like Seal Team 6 - ALWAYS Seal Team 6, but not the same seals.

*James Bond - 007* retires or gets killed and another guy becomes *James Bond -007* and his given name is NEVER revealed.
Makes sense to me.
Also sets up a scenario where several of the previous players of Bond can be in the same movie working for either MI-6 And/Or the bad guys...

Truthfully I never thought of it that way but does make sense,
 
I've always had a problem with any actor being 'Bond' after Roger Moore.

Sean Connery was the real deal for me, Moore was good I thought, after that I haven't watched more than a few minutes of a Bond movie.

It just doesn't seem right to me.

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I pretty much felt the same way except that I grew up w/ both Connery and Moore and thought they were equal. When they played Bond movies on TV, they usually played 6 a year--three w/ each as Bond. When they chose Brosnan, I was disappointed and didnt like him but, I thought he made his case w/ me. I fully disliked Dalton and never thought of him as Bond and still dont like his Bond (by another name) movies.

I didnt hold stock in Daniel Craig at first but, I accept him now. He is good, very good but, Connery and Moore will always be James Bond.
 
James bond was a fictional character with a fictional liver, fictional lungs and a fictional you-know what. Therefore he could drink &smoke to fictional excess and bed a fictional amount of women in any fictional day. :rolleyes: BTW, I would hope these Doctors would have better things to do. :confused:

Ahhhh, but those Drs never though of that possibility.
 
Without looking it up, I believe that Ian Fleming died at 56. That is smack dab when the study concluded that Bond would. A pretty accurate study, for once!

If you read, "Thunderball" carefully, you'll see the effects that heavy drinking and smoking had on 007. I think Fleming had been to such a health clinic and reported what he experienced. Bond was almost surely to a large degree Fleming's own fantasy life.

At one time, and even today in Eastern Europe, many men think it more manly to smoke and drink a lot. Macho bluster is common. I had a Romanian acquaintance who told me how men act to her and a Serb has, too. Political Correctness has yet to rear its head in some countries. That's why Putin poses bare-chested for photos and flaunts his hunting and fishing prowess. He also keeps a big dog to support his macho image.
George W. Bush said on Leno recently that Putin looked with disdain at Bush's little dog and made sure that the US President later met his own big mutt.

This sort of posturing also was manifested in the fireside telling of bold deeds by some Amerindian braves after a hunt or a battle. That probably extends back at least as far as Cro-Magnon days.

But Bond didn't drink only alcohol. He also drank coffee, which he preferred to tea, regarding tea as the opiate of the masses, and rather insipid. When telling someone of his Navy days, he said that he was just a "chocolate sailor", probably referring to drinking the Royal Navy's cocoa (more used then in the Navy than was tea) to point out that he was really a spy, not a normal line officer. This is where he acquired his Naval rank of Commander, consistent with Fleming's own rank attained while on Naval Intelligence duties in WW II.

I read the Bond books as a teen and occasionally re-read them. I like them much better than the movies, beyond, "Thunderball."

I still have a letter from the real Geoffrey Boothroyd, written on "Dr. No" movie stationery. It's probably worth a lot of money now, and I'll likely offer it soon through an auction house or on e-bay.

None of Fleming's successors has managed to write Bond as well as did the original author. They seem to be basing their books on the movie Bond and incorporating Political Correctness to a degree that would have disgusted Fleming's Bond.

A couple of years ago, "Playboy" ran a feature on Fleming's home in Jamaica, where he wrote the Bond books while on holiday. It showed his typewriter and where he sat to use it, his bed, and the beach off which he spearfished for his lunch on many days. The magazine ran excerpts of his novels when he was still writing, and has done several Bond features since. I still recall the illustrations that ran with the excerpts.

Bond was a creature of his day, but we can still enjoy the thrils he generated in print. I think most agree that Connery was the ultmate cinema Bond, the most plausible. I'd pick Timothy Dalton as the next best. I had formed a mental image of Bond before the movies arrived. It was of Michael Rennie, if you remember that actor. I convert words to film in my mind and "see" what I read. After Connery arrived, I was at first a bit put off, but soon accepted him as the most likely Bond. He came off a little more aggressive and rude than I thought Bond would be, but on reflection, I decided that perhaps his image was right.

Bond almost surely had a rugged he-man image of himself, and Connery made the role his own.

Someone posted above that bit about Bond with a shotgun and another post said that this scene ws in, 'Thunderball." In that film he also used a Remington M-1100 to blast a clay target and seemed surprised that shooting skeet was easier than it looked to the persona that he was portraying. This was right in character for a man whose ego would cause him to reveal skills that the man he was pretending to be wouldn't have.

When Donald Hamilton created his American counterpart to Bond, Matt Helm, Helm also exhibited this trait of seeing himself as a sort of macho superman. Both heroes had some mental swaggering going on. I think this was reflected in their lifestyles and actions. In loose moments, they might even blow their covers through their egos.
You want to see Macho Bluster???? the Friday before Memorial day go to the Cypress Cove Marine down in Venice LA and check out the first row of sportfishermen. We call that the "Lets see who has the biggest **** Row" :D
 
This trio of medical marvels also postulate that Popeye used steroids to supplant his vegan diet, Bugs Bunny had conflicted identity issues causing him to frequently cross dress, Ralph Kramden's Type A personality would have resulted in premature coronary disease and chronic ulcers, and that Moe, Larry, Curly and Shemp were a thinly-veiled metaphor representing the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
 
I always ADMIRED the classy way Bond (the REAL James Bond-Sean Connery) smoked and drank. Very classy and never appeared to be in excess at all.

I always wanted to try one of his favorite drinks the vodka martini shaken not stirred. On one of our earlier cruises I sat down in one of the lounges and a cute little waitress from Wales, oddly enough, asked me for my drink order. I noticed her very pleasant accent and asked her where she was from. We talked a bit and I told her I'd try one of her countryman's favorite drinks. She thought a moment and then grinned and said, "shaken not stirred?" I smiled back and said, "that's it."

She brought it to my table and set it on a napkin and said "enjoy." and left. I took a sip and my face just about turned wrong side out. YYYUUUCCCKKK!!! I pulled the glass back and looked to make sure I wasn't drinking drain cleaner or something. My thought was that this stuff would make a better driveway cleaner than beverage.

My cute Welsh waitress came by to see how I liked it. I asked her to take it away and be careful not to get any of it on her skin or any live plants. I asked her how much I could get for it on a trade in and she said she'd bring me what I wanted. The Crown Royal and soda went down just fine. :)

He occasionally had a drink on camera like the ONE mint julip in "From Russia With Love" and he might be seen 2 or 3 times in a movie smoking a cigarette but I don't remember ever seeing any Bond character intoxicated in any movie or even cough one time. The whole thing is a stupid and pointless and baseless claim. And here is a special note: James Bond is a fictional character. This whole thing was like doing a study on Popeye to see if spinach really made him strong. He was just as real as James Bond!
 
James Bond's excessive drinking, smoking, and other vices were detailed in "Thunderball". He was advised by the "company" doctor, that his BP was up, eyes showing some yellowing, etc.

"M" sent him to Shrublands, where he encountered Count Lippi, and was nearly killed in a traction machine. Bond retaliated, by locking Count Lippi in a steambox, badly burning him, and nearly causing problems with the timing of the hijacking. While there, Bond cut down on smoking and drinking, until things got going after the bomber was hijacked. He went back to his custom-blended cigarettes, and started drinking his martinis again; and went on to save the world from SPECTRE.

James Bond frequently was hung over in the books. However, he recovered rapidly in the mornings, and it never affected his duties.

PS - James Bond preferred his vodka martinis stirred, and not shaken. Shaking a vodka martini bruises the vodka, affecting its taste (according to Bond). The error occurred early in production of the movies, and was never corrected in subsequent movies.
 
Didn't know doctors had so much free time over there!
What's next, they analyze Mr. Bean?

As too the Bonds, I liked Connery but preferred Moore, he had this dark side to the personality that Connery didn't convey convincingly.
Dale
 
I always ADMIRED the classy way Bond (the REAL James Bond-Sean Connery) smoked and drank. Very classy and never appeared to be in excess at all.

I always wanted to try one of his favorite drinks the vodka martini shaken not stirred. On one of our earlier cruises I sat down in one of the lounges and a cute little waitress from Wales, oddly enough, asked me for my drink order. I noticed her very pleasant accent and asked her where she was from. We talked a bit and I told her I'd try one of her countryman's favorite drinks. She thought a moment and then grinned and said, "shaken not stirred?" I smiled back and said, "that's it."

She brought it to my table and set it on a napkin and said "enjoy." and left. I took a sip and my face just about turned wrong side out. YYYUUUCCCKKK!!! I pulled the glass back and looked to make sure I wasn't drinking drain cleaner or something. My thought was that this stuff would make a better driveway cleaner than beverage.

My cute Welsh waitress came by to see how I liked it. I asked her to take it away and be careful not to get any of it on her skin or any live plants. I asked her how much I could get for it on a trade in and she said she'd bring me what I wanted. The Crown Royal and soda went down just fine. :)

He occasionally had a drink on camera like the ONE mint julip in "From Russia With Love" and he might be seen 2 or 3 times in a movie smoking a cigarette but I don't remember ever seeing any Bond character intoxicated in any movie or even cough one time. The whole thing is a stupid and pointless and baseless claim. And here is a special note: James Bond is a fictional character. This whole thing was like doing a study on Popeye to see if spinach really made him strong. He was just as real as James Bond!

nothing like a cute Welshgirl is there ? Aka Catherine Zeta Jones:D


thewelshm
 
I remember growing up in the 60's and it seemed to me that people drank and smoked a lot more then than they do now. I think that we have morphed into a collective group of pantywaists. Those guys back then were tough-their livers could take it-their lungs could take it. Today a diet of Camels and Johnny Walker Black would kill most people, but not back then...
I grew up in the '50s & '60s and it seemed like a lot of guys died pretty young (relatively speaking) back in those days.

Back then, it was alcohol and tobacco. Today, it seems like a lot of people shorten their lives by abusing drugs.
Maybe it all averages out.
 
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