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tacticool22
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How else would you mount a stock?
The back end could be machined to accept any different kind of folding stocks.
15-22 Aluminum 80% lower
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How else would you mount a stock?
The back end could be machined to accept any different kind of folding stocks.
tomcatt51
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For the wannabes.
RedNeck Jim
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You didn't answer my questions. No offense to Tacticool, but how is this innovative? Is it new technology? Does it improve upon a 22 AR or 22 upper? Does it offer the same benefits of the above but at a lower price?
I'm not trying to be cute but just want to understand the logic here?
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The whole point about an aluminum lower for the 15-22 is BECAUSE
The whole point about an 80% lower is BECAUSE I CAN and it's NOYB what I own.
The whole point about an 80% lower is BECAUSE I CAN and it's NOYB what I own.
Does putting a B.A.D. lever on a 15-22 make it any better of a weapon? Or a set of BUIS? Or any tactical add-on whatsoever?? Or does the Magpul version of the 15-22 shoot better than the Basic version? No. It's innovative because it allows for the weapon to be equipped and outfitted exactly like an actual AR-15 without any adapters or modifications to the lower. It's innovative because it would allow for standard AR items other than just a trigger to be used... folding stocks, non-collapsible stocks, etc. It would allow for a Delta ring assembly without the adapter or the "gap" between the lower and the delta ring. It would allow a standard free floating hand guard to be used out of the box.
Mimicking the actual platform of the AR-15 is the goal. Training... with a 15-22 that exactly mimics the AR-15 you're training with something that is as close as possible (Aside from a dedicated upper on an AR lower) to the real thing. If you don't understand the value of training with weapons that closely resemble the real thing than you've obviously never served any time in the Military, Law Enforcement or the Security field.
If the adapters that allow some of these same modifications are innovative, why wouldn't an 80% lower that incorporates everything you need the adapters for and THEN SOME be innovative???
Brett248Vista
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I think your Logo is going to look awesome engraved in that lower! 
Once I get my CNC Mill all set up, I think one of my projects is going to be, crafting
my own lower from scratch. Lots of waste but how cool to say "I made that, no, really...
I MADE that!"
Once I get my CNC Mill all set up, I think one of my projects is going to be, crafting
my own lower from scratch. Lots of waste but how cool to say "I made that, no, really...
I MADE that!"
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Folding..... Or maybe Tacticool22 could fab a modular QD reciever extension tube.
Maybe better design an alternative to Magpul B.A.D.
My 2 pennies... But maybe rather than trying to get as close as possible to an AR lower... big yawn... a more unique lower that would bring something special to the 1522 rather than just a CMMG lower that fits.
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I am thinking AR width so any safety and trigger group could be used.
The AR stuff is such a huge yawn. I was at the SHOT show and there was nothing that jumped out. It felt like European vacation when they were stuck in the roundabout, except this time it was "Hey look, another AR"
Well, there was one AR that had replaceable mag wells so you could use all kinds of different mags. From pistol to AK.
The AR stuff is such a huge yawn. I was at the SHOT show and there was nothing that jumped out. It felt like European vacation when they were stuck in the roundabout, except this time it was "Hey look, another AR"
Well, there was one AR that had replaceable mag wells so you could use all kinds of different mags. From pistol to AK.
Argonnakid
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I like the idea. It seems to me it is a nitch item thru. I see cost being a big hurdle to get over for some. I agree with some of the other forum members in that I would like to see a metal upper. But, what better way to complement a metal upper than with a metal lower. So, for my two cents, well one cent(taxes for thinking), I say it is a idea worth some time looking into.
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The long answer is YES!
Freeway
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I like the idea. If you can, why not? I would consider getting one.
tomcatt51
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That's fine, your gun, your call, but as long as S&W's patents are in place (know when they expire?) it seems we're pretty much dead ended. You can't even reasonably get an aftermarket barrel. I would like to have a light weight barrel. We're stuck. The other thing becomes cost. By the time you're done "mimicking" you could could have had the "real" AR you're mimicking.
Don't misunderstand, I like my 15-22, but it's for Ruger (now NSSF) Rimfire Challenge. I could have built a 10-22 but the 15-22 seems to run more reliably, fewer magazine/feeding issues.
So, am I "interested in an Aluminum 80% lower"? Not really.
cyphertext
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I guess I just envisioned a bar of aluminum just like the 15-22 has the plastic.
RedNeck Jim
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I understand what you are saying but you are not answering my question. If you want to mimic an AR as close as possible, why change the nature of the 15-22? Why not buy something that already exists? If your whole point is 100%, why buy a 15-22 anyway? When I bought mine, I knew what I was getting. If I felt it critical to be 100%, I would have bought the real thing.
Once again, not trying to be a jerk but I am a businessman. A vendor is asking if folks want a product. So sell it. Don't tell me you can innovate the 15-22 to be almost 100% like an AR. Tell me why this product is better than the options already out there. I'm certainly not saying it isn't but would like to see the selling points... besides making it do what other product already does. That is the whole point of marketing... giving folks a reason to choose your product over something different.
I bought a 15-22 because I was willing to accept it not being a 100% AR clone. The advantage over a dedicated upper was that for about the same price, I could have a 2nd complete rifle. That is a selling point for the 15-22. So why don't we discuss why we should buy a new lower for the 15-22?
Dezfan
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Why?
Because I want it.
No further discussion needed.
Because I want it.
No further discussion needed.
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But what can U do for my 87A Springfield. Here is a firearm that can really shoot, just needs some tweaking. How about an aluminum lower? LOL
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Hate on it if you want, I don't see it weighing much more than it already does.
I'd be thrilled, having an AGP folding stock on a 15-22 for example.
I'd be thrilled, having an AGP folding stock on a 15-22 for example.
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I wouldnt call it hating... just a difference between hobbyist and practical.
I'm somewhere inbetween. If I want a metal upper/lower conversion for my 1522 then I'm going to buy all the parts at once and call it a CMMG
. On the other hand, if there was a unique application for a different 1522 lower such as a folding or QD reciever extention tube (really like the idea of a QD extension), right side bolt release system better than BAD, or some other cool thing that Tacticool22 might dream up, then that would be of interest to me.
I'm somewhere inbetween. If I want a metal upper/lower conversion for my 1522 then I'm going to buy all the parts at once and call it a CMMG
. On the other hand, if there was a unique application for a different 1522 lower such as a folding or QD reciever extention tube (really like the idea of a QD extension), right side bolt release system better than BAD, or some other cool thing that Tacticool22 might dream up, then that would be of interest to me.
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RedNeck Jim
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So is that something Tacticool could offer without building a whole new, metal receiver or would the enhancement require a new one? Seems like most people are wanting some sort of unique stock for their 15-22.
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