I have a guy in my neck of the woods that says he was a seal,but I've always doubted it. Is there any way to ck it out? Thanks MJ
Poser neighbor
- Thread starter Gunslinger808
- Start date
BearBio
Member
I was a Remington Raider (clerk) during Nam with a training unit. I'm always hesitant when places like my Masonic Lodge ask all the veterans to stand up for recognition. Feel I didn't do all that much.
CW Spook
US Veteran
There are a variety of 'shades' of clearance in the intel community, based on need to know. Pretty much all of us in the Naval Security Group were cleared TS/CODEWORD/CRYPTO after we got out of A-school, but not everyone was cleared SCI or for certain other duties. Some of it was for good cause, some of it just typical military bureaucracy. If I said any more I'd have to kill you.... ;-)
the ringo kid
Member
- Joined
- May 12, 2013
- Messages
- 20,895
- Reaction score
- 22,823
I knew a Navy seal too, only he was legit. Mostly all he talked about was where he grew up--in the Florida Keys.
I have friend who was supply but got stationed as support personel for some SF unit. Anyway, she has a photo of her in Class A's with the SF unit patch on her shoulder (without the qual tab because she didn't) She's gotten some mighty strange looks over that photo
I have a guy in my neck of the woods that says he was a seal,but I've always doubted it. Is there any way to ck it out? Thanks MJ
bentcam
US Veteran
SMOKE top secret is the highest level clearance, but can have attached access qualifications added on. such as Q clearance (nuke), EOPO (eyes of president only), CRYPTO (com.) are just a few.
if you climb mt. everest you can have hot coffee, hot chocolate or brandy.
if you climb mt. everest you can have hot coffee, hot chocolate or brandy.
Last edited:
HKB
US Veteran
All my bragging rights can be documented by my DD214s, certificates, qualifications, pictures, and AARs. I saved all of that stuff just in case I ever ran into a non-believer, but I don't say nothing unless the beer is flowing. 
the ringo kid
Member
- Joined
- May 12, 2013
- Messages
- 20,895
- Reaction score
- 22,823
So was a guy I became friends with when I was in LE training. We always talked about the weapon, almost never of what he did--except one time when he got into a fight over a girl with someone in the Navy. Another Dan Carey, who was Army ASA back from 68? to about 72? was stationed in Germany. Some of the few things he talked about, was being friends with several German Fallschirmjagers (Paratroopers) and saw them beat the hell out of a group of British soldiers who acted stupidly at some bar.
the ringo kid
Member
- Joined
- May 12, 2013
- Messages
- 20,895
- Reaction score
- 22,823
I thought the "Supreme" Court shot down that law in 2013?
THE PILGRIM
Member
Safearm is correct. It's not a case of being 'higher' it's being selective on a need to know basis. For example, when we developed the U-2 you didn't really need to know about it if you weren't working on it. So that program had a nickname and was only known to the needed folks.
Know a guy a who was a C-124 Navigator. They were directed to proceed to Burbank and load some big crates. They were then directed to proceed to a seemingly empty spot on the Nevada desert and call in on a given frequency. They were directed to land and off load. They were of course taking the U-2 to Area 51. They had no knowledge at that time of the U-2. They didn't need to know about it to haul it. That's what they did in the C-124, they hauled stuff.
Know a guy a who was a C-124 Navigator. They were directed to proceed to Burbank and load some big crates. They were then directed to proceed to a seemingly empty spot on the Nevada desert and call in on a given frequency. They were directed to land and off load. They were of course taking the U-2 to Area 51. They had no knowledge at that time of the U-2. They didn't need to know about it to haul it. That's what they did in the C-124, they hauled stuff.
It's really sad but on the other side of that coin it's sickening as they men and gals who DESERVE to be hero's generally never tell you or no one tells them. I make s point whenever I see a member of any branch of the military to thank them for their service, no matter where they have served. It is immaterial.
I did know one SEAL,...... he never told me until I inquired. I knew one of the Capt's on his oral board and he had left out several portions of his work histry on his PD application. When asked, he advised them he would not be able to furnish any details on that period of time other than it was military service. It was verified of course and when he assisted you in a training scenario it was a waterfall of information. I learned more from that man in an 8 hour day than our training department could muster in over 20 years, sad to say.
I did know one SEAL,...... he never told me until I inquired. I knew one of the Capt's on his oral board and he had left out several portions of his work histry on his PD application. When asked, he advised them he would not be able to furnish any details on that period of time other than it was military service. It was verified of course and when he assisted you in a training scenario it was a waterfall of information. I learned more from that man in an 8 hour day than our training department could muster in over 20 years, sad to say.
BigBill
Absent Comrade
My step dad was always interested in my guns. I never really noticed it or knew why. He would out of the blue ask me if I had a garand yet? Too bad I found out after he passed away he was in Korea. He never mentioned it not even once or hinted about it. Most of my buddies from nam won't talk about it. I figure he was like them they would like to put it behind them.
I feel I never got to really know him. He was a kind, gentleman and as long as he took care of my mom and she loved him and he loved her I was ok.
We just never know who is who and who did what nowadays. These vets are like the old military guns, there quiet about what they have done and where they have been. Well never know about the battles won or lost. The old vets are silent just like the military guns they once used.
My deepest thanks to all the vets who served our great country back then and to the ones who are still serving today. And the ones who paid the ultimate price for our freedom that we still enjoy today and there families they left behind too for the loss is there's too.
God bless, bigbill
My step dad was buddies with my youngest son. Today my son has the American flag that was presented to my mom. My son cherishes it today. It's on his dresser right now and will be there forever in his memory.
I feel I never got to really know him. He was a kind, gentleman and as long as he took care of my mom and she loved him and he loved her I was ok.
We just never know who is who and who did what nowadays. These vets are like the old military guns, there quiet about what they have done and where they have been. Well never know about the battles won or lost. The old vets are silent just like the military guns they once used.
My deepest thanks to all the vets who served our great country back then and to the ones who are still serving today. And the ones who paid the ultimate price for our freedom that we still enjoy today and there families they left behind too for the loss is there's too.
God bless, bigbill
My step dad was buddies with my youngest son. Today my son has the American flag that was presented to my mom. My son cherishes it today. It's on his dresser right now and will be there forever in his memory.
Last edited:
I got out of the Army in August, 1977. Other than enlisting to be a tank driver, going to Germany, getting to see Graf and the Alps, re-upping to come back to the States, going to the proving grounds in Yuma AZ & Dugway UT, and volunteering for EOD, I don't remember much else. I do remember it wasn't fun and I counted the days til I got out.
Posers? Fun to screw with until they get mad and run away.
Posers? Fun to screw with until they get mad and run away.
Last edited:
Old TexMex
Member
My father used to say "them that talks don't know, and them that knows don't talk."
My memory isn't good enough to lie.
My memory isn't good enough to lie.
Alpo
Member
Store I used to work in had a range. One of our regulars was a SEAL. Instructor out at the Dive School.
Day after Christmas he comes in with his daughter. She and Mama had given him a Beretta 92 from Christmas, and they came to play.
They go out on the range, and he comes back in in a bit and asks if someone can give him some assistance. It's jamming. Stovepipes. Failure to eject. Failure to feed.
As me and Terry go out to check it, Terry asks if it is happening when the daughter is shooting. Sounds like limp-wristing. Nope. When HE was shooting. Hmmm. Must be a gun problem.
Terry picks it up and burns through two magazines just as fast as he can pull the trigger. Then he asks the SEAL to show us what it was doing.
First shot - stovepipe.
Limp-wristed it. Who'da thunk it? A SEAL that don't know how to shoot an M9?
Day after Christmas he comes in with his daughter. She and Mama had given him a Beretta 92 from Christmas, and they came to play.
They go out on the range, and he comes back in in a bit and asks if someone can give him some assistance. It's jamming. Stovepipes. Failure to eject. Failure to feed.
As me and Terry go out to check it, Terry asks if it is happening when the daughter is shooting. Sounds like limp-wristing. Nope. When HE was shooting. Hmmm. Must be a gun problem.
Terry picks it up and burns through two magazines just as fast as he can pull the trigger. Then he asks the SEAL to show us what it was doing.
First shot - stovepipe.
Limp-wristed it. Who'da thunk it? A SEAL that don't know how to shoot an M9?
semperfi71
US Veteran
This from about 1970.
My Father was telling me about two recently discharged Marines who had been in Vietnam that were working with him on a construction project.
I asked him, "Were they in combat?"
He said, "No, they drove trucks."
I said, "Oh, they told you that?"
He said, "No, they tell too many war stories."
My Father fought with the 6th MarDiv at Okinawa in WWII.
He also told me how returning stateside Marines would go to the PX and buy medals and ribbons to wear home, since their Pacific Campaign, Presidential Unit Citation were not enough.
As I understand it there are now about three or four times as many men who fought in Vietnam than the number of those who actually fought there.
Me? I did a lot of fishing at hunting at MCAS Yuma for three years. But I did have two fistfights in Boot Camp!! One was a win", the other a draw. Neither lasted two minutes.
My Father was telling me about two recently discharged Marines who had been in Vietnam that were working with him on a construction project.
I asked him, "Were they in combat?"
He said, "No, they drove trucks."
I said, "Oh, they told you that?"
He said, "No, they tell too many war stories."
My Father fought with the 6th MarDiv at Okinawa in WWII.
He also told me how returning stateside Marines would go to the PX and buy medals and ribbons to wear home, since their Pacific Campaign, Presidential Unit Citation were not enough.
As I understand it there are now about three or four times as many men who fought in Vietnam than the number of those who actually fought there.
Me? I did a lot of fishing at hunting at MCAS Yuma for three years. But I did have two fistfights in Boot Camp!! One was a win", the other a draw. Neither lasted two minutes.
Alpo
Member
My ex-wife's brother.
When he was a tank mechanic in the Army, at Ft. Knox (he was my age, so this woulda had to have been mid-70s), the Commanding General came to see him one day. Said the he had noticed that BIL had not qualified with his rifle that year. BIL said that he figgered that since he was a mechanic, he did not need to qualify as a rifleman. The General told him to go qualify, so he drew his M1 Garand and went to the range and fired High Expert.
We were watching Forrest Gump, and there was a scene where they were flying to a LZ, and since there was no dialogue, the sound-track was playing some 60s song. BIL told me he really hated that song. "Every time we were going in, that played that song in the chopper."
I was doing an inspection at the Dive School, and we were in the top of the FAT tower (I had hired BIL as a gofer). He commented that when HE took his SCUBA training, they did it in the harbor, not in a pool. He would always remember when they had him drop his tanks and swim to the surface, holding his breath.
He told me many other things, over the years, but may have been (and probably were) BS, but THESE I knew were.
Aside from "he was never in the Army", IF the CG of a post had noticed that some private had not done something he should, he would not tell the private PERSONALLY. That message would get passed downhill until it got to the sergeant, who would explain to the private that he needed to get to the range. And the Army was not using Garands in the mid-70s.
In the four years I worked rebuilding Hueys, I found out they was awful dang noisy, and the idea of having piped-in music while they were flying was pretty ludicrous. And there is still the "he was never in the service".
If you dropped your tanks and started swimming to the surface with a lungful of air, by the time you went up ten feet your lungs would have exploded. When you do a Free Ascent, you exhale all the way up, you don't hold your breath.
When he was a tank mechanic in the Army, at Ft. Knox (he was my age, so this woulda had to have been mid-70s), the Commanding General came to see him one day. Said the he had noticed that BIL had not qualified with his rifle that year. BIL said that he figgered that since he was a mechanic, he did not need to qualify as a rifleman. The General told him to go qualify, so he drew his M1 Garand and went to the range and fired High Expert.
We were watching Forrest Gump, and there was a scene where they were flying to a LZ, and since there was no dialogue, the sound-track was playing some 60s song. BIL told me he really hated that song. "Every time we were going in, that played that song in the chopper."
I was doing an inspection at the Dive School, and we were in the top of the FAT tower (I had hired BIL as a gofer). He commented that when HE took his SCUBA training, they did it in the harbor, not in a pool. He would always remember when they had him drop his tanks and swim to the surface, holding his breath.
He told me many other things, over the years, but may have been (and probably were) BS, but THESE I knew were.
Aside from "he was never in the Army", IF the CG of a post had noticed that some private had not done something he should, he would not tell the private PERSONALLY. That message would get passed downhill until it got to the sergeant, who would explain to the private that he needed to get to the range. And the Army was not using Garands in the mid-70s.
In the four years I worked rebuilding Hueys, I found out they was awful dang noisy, and the idea of having piped-in music while they were flying was pretty ludicrous. And there is still the "he was never in the service".
If you dropped your tanks and started swimming to the surface with a lungful of air, by the time you went up ten feet your lungs would have exploded. When you do a Free Ascent, you exhale all the way up, you don't hold your breath.
Aticus
Member
Boys, let me tell you some of my stories from when I was on Guadalcanal fighting the Germans ......
Actually I've run into a couple of these types. I pay them no mind. I spent four years in the AF and wouldn't trade that time for a million dollars. Wouldn't do it again for all the money in the world.
Actually I've run into a couple of these types. I pay them no mind. I spent four years in the AF and wouldn't trade that time for a million dollars. Wouldn't do it again for all the money in the world.
the ringo kid
Member
- Joined
- May 12, 2013
- Messages
- 20,895
- Reaction score
- 22,823
Unfortunately, these doo-dahs are more prevalent than one might imagine. There is even a Hall of Stolen Valor.
Hall of Stolen Valors
Sadly, there are some people who really crave some type of recognition.
There's a little old guy in our town who might stand 5'6" and maybe weigh 145 pounds in his cowboy boots who goes around telling everybody "in strictest confidence" that he killed his first man when he was twelve years old and that he used to be a hit man for the FBI because there were "certain dirty jobs" the FBI couldn't do for fear that it would be traced back to them.
Again, this is whispered to you in "strictest confidence" because if anybody finds out, our former hit man would be "toast." Surprisingly, even though nobody is supposed to know about this, everybody in town knows about it because the guy has told everybody in strictest confidence.
Those who talk, do not know. Those who know, do not talk.
Its a shame that Sam Elliott doesnt have a message directed at these types. However, this will suffice:
Sam Elliott Impression - Gun Control & Politics - YouTube
