Employer Code of Conduct question

[GKC]

I can and should be able to drive to work naked...

At least you couldn't be accused of carrying a concealed weapon.

 

[dereksfl]

Have your State mimic Florida Law or have your company change their policy toward guns or hope they open a branch in Florida The Gunshine State or quit and get a job in Florida, or you could do an employee buy out and rewrite the rules. There are some good options here. Best of luck to you.

 

[307-Niner]

For now, I've decided to push for new legislation to improve Wyoming's gun laws. There are 3 different groups I've been in contact with. Hoping for a positive change.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I respectfully disagree. Read Arizona Law. Arizona employers can only deny your right to keep your firearm in your car in two circumstances. 1 they supply a secure place to lock up your gun while working. or 2. they have a separate secure parking for gun owners. The purpose is to deny access to your firearm while at work. Both these options are expensive and no employer I am aware of does this. So we are able to store them in our cars while at work legally.

While this does not apply to federal property, most federal jobs are located where you can park off their property without much problem.

Gun and property rights are important, so this is a good area to disagree.

Most pro-gun legislation is about unwinding government authority where it does not belong. This is different. This is expanding government authority where it does not belong.

Tennessee has it right. In this case, Tennessee respects private property rights and acknowledges that the State isn't the authority to resolve such a dispute between employer/employee.

That said, there are many Tennessee gun owners who have adopted this kind of thinking ---> I am a gun owner and I will bring my gun to your property if I want to. And if you don't like it I will force you by law to accommodate me! . Fortunately our lawmakers think differently...

 

[tat2dchad]

private property = they can make up whatever rules they want.
you can smoke in your car while on their property all you want...but if its posted as you cant...you can get "punished" for it. its really not that hard to understand.

we all want to do things our own way but the fact is on someone elses property you will follow their rules. as someone said you can def wear one thing to work and change in your car....why? because their is no rule saying you cant.

we dont have a to agree or like rules...but we do have to deal with em

 

[TexasArmed]

private property = they can make up whatever rules they want.
you can smoke in your car while on their property all you want...but if its posted as you cant...you can get "punished" for it. its really not that hard to understand.

we all want to do things our own way but the fact is on someone elses property you will follow their rules. as someone said you can def wear one thing to work and change in your car....why? because their is no rule saying you cant.

we dont have a to agree or like rules...but we do have to deal with em

Any person or any company can make up whatever rules they like. Companies can tell employees in Texas that they cannot have a handgun in their vehicle, even a concealed handgun owner. The problem they will have is that rule violates Texas State Law. Texas is an employer friendly state but Texas is+ also a gun friendly state, especially for those licensed to carry, especially if the employee's vehicle is in a designated employee parking lot. Now if the Company is furnishing the vehicle the employee is driving I expect that might be where the Company could enforce the rule they set which
conflicts with Texas Law. I expect the thinking on that was that the Company is not furnishing a body guard service too and from work through areas that might not be safe.

 

[opamailman]

I happen to work for the USPS. For us there is a federal law that states that weapons may not be possessed on postal property. In one jurisdiction, a court has ordered a particular post office to allow customers to secure their guns within their cars in the parking lot. That ruling applies only to that particular post office. For the rest of us, especially the employees, we are out of luck. I know some postal workers that park off site because their weapons are in their vehicles.

 

[hatt]

I do understand about not complaining about such a policy as a way to avoid unnecessary scrutiny, but if no one speaks up then what happens?

Take all your vacation time. Find another job. Don't show up for old one. When boss calls they him the company didn't respect your basic human Rights so you no longer felt comfortable working there.

 

[TexasArmed]

I happen to work for the USPS. For us there is a federal law that states that weapons may not be possessed on postal property. In one jurisdiction, a court has ordered a particular post office to allow customers to secure their guns within their cars in the parking lot. That ruling applies only to that particular post office. For the rest of us, especially the employees, we are out of luck. I know some postal workers that park off site because their weapons are in their vehicles.

Yes postal property includes parking lots on postal property.
Postal property does not include parking no the street when
there is no postal parking lot. All property on the street belongs to the state in Texas. If you get dog bit on postal property you might complain to the postal service. If you
get dog bit on the street parking area in front of a post office
it belongs to the city. You call the city to complain, not the
postal service. In rural areas of Texas we have a lot of post
offices that do not have parking lots. I have seen law enforcement officers enter post offices when not on official duty armed. My brother in law enforcement says its legal. I thought
it was not.

As for me, I always leave my handgun in the vehicle, on the
street because there is no postal parking lot. The post office
wants to close the one we got, and don't want to rebuild the
one we have.

I am shocked that any court has ordered any post office to
allow anyone to park in their property parking lots and leave
guns in their vehicle. Do you have a link for that? Not saying
your wrong, but I would like to see that.

 

[bhayles]

Well, that's your choice...I hope you have enough money to pay your bills, support your family, buy food, pay for insurance, meet medical expenses, and all the other things that a job typically allows you to do. If you are financially secure without a job, good for you...if you need a job to provide for yourself and your family, then I'd say your attitude was immature and irresponsible.

I don't mean to offend you personally, but I just feel like there are times when we have to consider ALL the ramifications of our actions...and if losing your job will hurt your family, I think you should seriously consider that before you risk being fired over not being able to have your gun in your car at work.

"They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Ben Franklin

 

[AZretired]

Gun and property rights are important, so this is a good area to disagree.

Most pro-gun legislation is about unwinding government authority where it does not belong. This is different. This is expanding government authority where it does not belong.

Tennessee has it right. In this case, Tennessee respects private property rights and acknowledges that the State isn't the authority to resolve such a dispute between employer/employee.

That said, there are many Tennessee gun owners who have adopted this kind of thinking ---> I am a gun owner and I will bring my gun to your property if I want to. And if you don't like it I will force you by law to accommodate me! . Fortunately our lawmakers think differently...

Tennessee can do what it wants, but as far as respecting PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS Arizona ans New Mexico have it right. Your car is an extension of your home and therefore you have the same right to privacy. So employers cannot tell you what you can and cannot have inside your car. As long as I don't bring it into my workplace, it's none of their business what's in my car.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

That type of thinking is so foreign to me.

If an employer does not want guns on their property... the employee(s) may choose to try to convince the employer otherwise, individually or collectively. Failing that, comply, ignore or leave. The idea of running to government to force others to accommodate me in such a situation just isn't part of my thinking, nor is it the best showing of how free men operate, IMO.

The NRA has this so wrong... but they are a single-issue myopic visioned organization which on balance I find MUCH more good than bad, and would not want them to change. However, gun owners can afford a wider view and considerations, to agree or disagree.

My car is my home thinking makes sense when it comes to restricting government intrusion. Unfortunately, in this case the only government intrusion is what gun owners are seeking to inflict upon others for their own personal satisfaction and accommodation.

Thanks for the discussion and differing views.