NEW Alliant BE-86 powder

I never cared for Alliants "manual" or data listings. Compared the Hodgdons their listings are very poor.

Plus they could not come up with a better name than BE-86? No confusing there with Bullseye:rolleyes:

Actually Power Pistol was Bullseye 84 used by the manufacturers.

Guess they like to spread the Bull.:D
 
A few months back I found some data some where.. 2014 new.

Only one loading per bullet weigh for the weapons !

the one for a 38 158 lead had a maximum of 982 fps.

I hope they come out with a little more info !!
 
I was told at the NRA show that BE-86 is essentially Powder Pistol with flash suppressors added.

If I had some, I would work up slowly from Power Pistol data and see how it did.
 
Peter M. Eick said:
I was told at the NRA show that BE-86 is essentially Powder Pistol with flash suppressors added.

If I had some, I would work up slowly from Power Pistol data and see how it did.
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This is BAD advice!!!!!!!

If BE86 is slower than Unique, and faster than Power Pistol, (and this is what it appears to be) then start with UNIQUE data and work up from there, not from the slower propellant!!!! If you look at what data is available where a relatively direct comparison can be made you will see that BE86 charge weights are lower than Power Pistol for the same bullet weight.
 
Like I have said before, it seems the powder industry is moving towards "newer" powders and retiring the older ones. This is probably a good thing but not for people like me who are adverse to change. Add to that the fact of all the time and components dedicated to working up loads with those powders, well you see what I mean.

When you see old and trusted powders like SR-7625, SR-4756, SR-4759 and even PB being discontinued and newer powders like Lil'Gun, AutoComp, BE-86, CFE-Pistol, Clay Dot and Power Pro 300-MP coming to market we can only guess that's the way the manufacturers are heading.

One note, Alliant seems to have a huge catalog of powders, more than any other company. I don't understand how all the shotgun powders they have can't be an overlap and in excess. They now list 14 shotgun powders and an additional 5 handgun powders. That is a whole bunch of stuff IMO. (not to mention the 14 rifle powders in their catalog too)
 
Rule 3,

They don't have data out for the caliber I am interested in using in. Thus you have to "wing it". That is what I will do when i get some so we can learn.
 
Old powder out, new powder in.............

In the 70's we had Grey B, N2010, 230-P, 450-LS, N2020, 500-HS, AL-7, 630-P etc. etc..................

Some of these had to go to make way for todays "Old Powders".

I would not mind the change over if they produce a true "Magnum Powder" that keeps up with the SR4756, 2400 or the H110 type powders.

Less muzzle flash is a good thing.....if we don't loose fps for it.
 
Peter M. Eick said:
Rule 3,

They don't have data out for the caliber I am interested in using in. Thus you have to "wing it". That is what I will do when i get some so we can learn.
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Yes, but were to start??. If we at last had a burn rate we could kinda sorta figure about maybe somewhere to begin;) Even that is no guarantee.

Perhaps call or e mail them. Most cases if they do not list it it is not a preferred powder for that caliber but with Alliant. who knows.?

I would not base anything on what it is "supposed to be like"
 
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Rule3 said:
Gee, why not use the limited data that they have published??
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Because that isn't what "Experimental Loading" is about! That said, the vast majority of handloaders, especially ones with limited experience(!!!!!!) are well advised to stick to published data as you suggest.
 
Alk8944 said:
Because that isn't what "Experimental Loading" is about! That said, the vast majority of handloaders, especially ones with limited experience(!!!!!!) are well advised to stick to published data as you suggest.
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Don't get yourself in a tizzy now.He doesn't even have the powder and if your read the previous posts, Alliant does not list data for the cartridge he wants, so there may be a reason for that.
Difficult to experiment with something you do not have, nor know anything about.
 
Rule3 said:
He doesn't even have the powder and if your read the previous posts, Alliant does not list data for the cartridge he wants, so there may be a reason for that.
Difficult to experiment with something you do not have, nor know anything about.
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Yes, he does have BE-86, read the original post, "I just purchased some of this powder from a distributor."

Based on the statements on the Alliant web-site, BE-86 is suitable for revolver loads, they just haven;t developed much data yet.

OP never mentions what caliber he is interested in! All he said was "When I went to the Alliant website there was no load data published....". You see, I read the OP and know what he said! The problem was he didn't know how to find the information on the Alliant web-site.
 
Alk8944 said:
Yes, he does have BE-86, read the original post, "I just purchased some of this powder from a distributor."

Based on the statements on the Alliant web-site, BE-86 is suitable for revolver loads, they just haven;t developed much data yet.

OP never mentions what caliber he is interested in! All he said was "When I went to the Alliant website there was no load data published....". You see, I read the OP and know what he said! The problem was he didn't know how to find the information on the Alliant web-site.
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You are mixing up the posts. There are a few side tracks going on here.

My post was to Peter which is what I quoted, he does not have the powder and made the comment on "winging it"so we were no longer talking about the OP.
 
Rule3 said:
Don't get yourself in a tizzy now.He doesn't even have the powder and if your read the previous posts, Alliant does not list data for the cartridge he wants, so there may be a reason for that.
Difficult to experiment with something you do not have, nor know anything about.
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Didn't stop the Wright Brothers or Marathonrunner :confused: !
 
ArchAngelCD said:
One note, Alliant seems to have a huge catalog of powders, more than any other company. I don't understand how all the shotgun powders they have can't be an overlap and in excess. They now list 14 shotgun powders and an additional 5 handgun powders. That is a whole bunch of stuff IMO. (not to mention the 14 rifle powders in their catalog too)
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They must have at least 6 fast burning shotgun powders that all say their primary purpose is 12 gauge target loads. How does one choose? If I ever run out of bullseye, I thought I might try one.
 
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