Battle of Bunker Hill and Colonial stuff.

[the ringo kid]

Looks like a picture of Gert Frobe and some other actors to me. What does he have here?

Historically speaking--a VERY well known Knights Cross Recipient and General/ GFM.Think you can guess who the Luftwaffe officer is i am speaking of? Hint--not many LW Generals made Fieldmarshal rank. This guy is also highly collectable and--being this is an originall snapshotof him? If I were to resell this--I could easily get $350.00 fora photohe is asking only $40 for. Also, since its an Or best offfer? I sent in an offer for $30.00. So far it has not sold and im the highest offerer.

 

[the ringo kid]

For the movie info--its not connected to Bunker Hill, but ore like during and just after the Boston Tea Party episode. Now that we have a possiblemovie title insteadof it being a Do--I willl try finding more from this. The Archives I mostly buy from--including this one--has millions of images dating back to the 1860s.

 

[the ringo kid]

I forgot to mention, those who like Cary grant. He was in: The Howards of Virginia--which deals with someone coming to terms about making sacrifices tothe War effort. He has somegreat scenes that take place at Valley Forge. I found quite a few photos from that movie--but nothing of himin uniform--which is what im looking for.

 

[cowart]

I dont know if my played takes DVRs or not?

Unless it is *really* old, it will take DVD-R disks. If still not sure, post the make and model, and I'll look up the specs online.

BTW, reviews of this DVD indicate that the technical quality is not good. Sounds like it was possibly copied from a VHS original.

Target Zero : DVD Talk Review of the DVD Video

I also note that you can download a "torrent" file of this movie, and then create your own DVD-R for free. This process is moderately complicated. See

http://alicefilm3.ru/movie/110649/target-zero/

 

[the ringo kid]

Unless it is *really* old, it will take DVD-R disks. If still not sure, post the make and model, and I'll look up the specs online.

BTW, reviews of this DVD indicate that the technical quality is not good. Sounds like it was possibly copied from a VHS original.

Target Zero : DVD Talk Review of the DVD Video

Ill have to lookmine up--its a portable dvd player I bought about 18 months ago.

 

[Texas Star]

Historically speaking--a VERY well known Knights Cross Recipient and General/ GFM.Think you can guess who the Luftwaffe officer is i am speaking of? Hint--not many LW Generals made Fieldmarshal rank. This guy is also highly collectable and--being this is an originall snapshotof him? If I were to resell this--I could easily get $350.00 fora photohe is asking only $40 for. Also, since its an Or best offfer? I sent in an offer for $30.00. So far it has not sold and im the highest offerer.

Goering? Frobe played him in, "Battle of Britain", a superb movie released in 1969 or 1970. I think you can see it all on YouTube, but the DVD is often sold for about ten bucks and is a terrific buy.

My other guess is Kesselring. He may better fit your description. I don't know if Goering had the Knight's Cross, but he received the coveted Blue Max in WW I.

 

[Kinman]

I found it interesting that so many Americans were actually against the uprising and were basically "Loyalists", it wasn't until some of the atrocities against captured "Rebels" were made evident that many of the Loyalists started changing their tune. In particular the actions of the hired mercenaries or Hessians against soldiers who surrendered or were captured turned many so called Loyalists into a more sympathizing lot for the rebel cause against a tyrannical ruler. The Hessians were professional soldiers and did not believe in bothering with taking prisoners, it was their common practice to simply bayonet anyone captured or surrendering, with possible exception to an officer grade type who might be ransomed.

 

[Cyrano]

My ancestors lived in Pennsylvania. They were Quakers and Tories, so naturally they were loyalists. Many of them went to Canada: my Grandfather was born in Barrington Passage Nova Scotia.

Some fo them stayed; they became highwaymen and still continued their depredations after the war. An old man and two grown sons and a cousin were finally cornered in a farmhouse. They offered the outlaws a fair trial; the old man knew what the outcome of a fair trial would be and he stayed in the farmhouse. The three younger men surrendered.The posse had the place surrounded and shot it to ribbons; the old man was shot to ribbons too. The trial ended with the death penalty for the three younger men. Two were hanged, but the girl friend of the third smuggled a knife in to him. If you're in leg irons and going to be hanged the next day, you can get out by cutting off most of your heel. He left the knife in the jailer and made bloody footprints to the shore where he probably took a ship to the Carolinas, which were at that time home to all sorts of people too hot to stay in more civilized areas. I don't know whether he sent for the girl or not. Those in Pennsylvania might have heard of the Bucks County Doanes.

 

[cowart]

I found it interesting that so many Americans were actually against the uprising and were basically "Loyalists", it wasn't until some of the atrocities against captured "Rebels" were made evident that many of the Loyalists started changing their tune.

The Loyalists were not Americans in the sense that this term is used today. They were British subjects, and wished to remain as such.

Historians now believe that the percentages of the population that took sides were about 20% each for both the Loyalists and Rebels. The remainder were uncommitted.

Loyalists, Fence-sitters, and Patriots [ushistory.org]

 

[PA Reb]

Very cool stuff "ringo", very cool indeed! My family was in this country (PA) long before it became this country. My gggggg grandfather and his brother (my gggggg uncle) were both members of the PA Militia and I had another gggggg uncle that gave monetary aide to the cause. I used all three of them to join the Sons of the American Revolution and got my daughters into the Daughters of the American Revolution. No loyalists in my family and I'm proud that my kids and I still carry the "don't tread on me" attitude!

 

[the ringo kid]

Goering? Frobe played him in, "Battle of Britain", a superb movie released in 1969 or 1970. I think you can see it all on YouTube, but the DVD is often sold for about ten bucks and is a terrific buy.

My other guess is Kesselring. He may better fit your description. I don't know if Goering had the Knight's Cross, but he received the coveted Blue Max in WW I.

The image of the soldiers is an original snapshot of a well famed Luftwaffe Field Marshal. I can give more info a bit later. On goring--he awarded himself the Knights Cross as wellas the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross (among others) in WWII.Goring had complete sets of medals at each of his estates as well as one set he could wear on his private train. The only "good" thing I can say about Hermann,is he did earn his WWI awards--but not the WWII awards. Oh and, Manfred von Richthoffen--intensly disliked Goring and saw what he really was all about early on. Shame Richthoffen was the one that died early on.

 

[the ringo kid]

I found it interesting that so many Americans were actually against the uprising and were basically "Loyalists", it wasn't until some of the atrocities against captured "Rebels" were made evident that many of the Loyalists started changing their tune. In particular the actions of the hired mercenaries or Hessians against soldiers who surrendered or were captured turned many so called Loyalists into a more sympathizing lot for the rebel cause against a tyrannical ruler. The Hessians were professional soldiers and did not believe in bothering with taking prisoners, it was their common practice to simply bayonet anyone captured or surrendering, with possible exception to an officer grade type who might be ransomed.

Speaking of the Hessians. There was one who served in Colonel Ralls unit (One of the top Hessian commanders) whose name is Johann Oeste. It turns out that actor: Rob Lowe--is related to him. Oeste is Lowes Great great great great great grandfather. He was a Hessian soldier who cameover when they first landed. He was later captured ( I THINK sometime in 1777??) was a prisoner along with Ralls Hessians,and Ben Franklin or someone like him, drafted and passed a proposalfro anyone who were PoWs (meaning Hessians etc) who wished to become Americans--could do so--be released, given land and such. Well, Oeste hose to trust that piece ofpaper--and became a loyal Amerian who even paid taxes and gave to our cause. He also later fought in our cause against the British. It was estimated that 15-to-20% of the Hessians PWs, became Americans having changed sides and who also stayed here after the war.

Lowe received a letter from the Sons of the American Revolution--making him a member. I thought that was very cool.

 

[the ringo kid]

Very cool stuff "ringo", very cool indeed! My family was in this country (PA) long before it became this country. My gggggg grandfather and his brother (my gggggg uncle) were both members of the PA Militia and I had another gggggg uncle that gave monetary aide to the cause. I used all three of them to join the Sons of the American Revolution and got my daughters into the Daughters of the American Revolution. No loyalists in my family and I'm proud that my kids and I still carry the "don't tread on me" attitude!

Thank you Sir, and that is fascinating to know having so many ancestors who were there and fought for our cause. I would like to see if there is a way tosee if any members of my family can be factually proven as being a Rebel and in the Continental Military.

I dont know names of who to try looking for? but--I do know where cetain parts of our family has lived since the 1760s and such. I was told by my mother that we did have at least one whos erved in teh ContinentalArmy--but I cnt recall name. He would have to be on my grandmothers side of the family--who mostly lived (later on) in or near where Tenneessee is--as well as Kentucky and possibly in Virginia.

 

[the ringo kid]

To keep from being toosuspenseful, the German GFM in the snap-shot above--is Wolfram von Richthoffen--a Cousin of the Red baron. Original pics of him are as scarse as an hen with a mouthful of teeth.

 

[Texas Star]

To keep from being toosuspenseful, the German GFM in the snap-shot above--is Wolfram von Richthoffen--a Cousin of the Red baron. Original pics of him are as scarse as an hen with a mouthful of teeth.

Thanks. I'd never heard of him, and thought that was a movie picture. Really thought it was Gert Frobe playing someone.

Why was he awarded the Knight's Cross and when?

Was I right in thinking that Kesselring was a Luftwaffe field marshal? I read that somewhere, but will check Wiki.

I envy some of you guys who know your families' roots. I don't know when my ancestors arrived here, but probably after the Revolution. A brother did some research and found they came from England and Wales.

 

[the ringo kid]

Thanks. I'd never heard of him, and thought that was a movie picture. Really thought it was Gert Frobe playing someone.

Why was he awarded the Knight's Cross and when?

Was I right in thinking that Kesselring was a Luftwaffe field marshal? I read that somewhere, but will check Wiki.

I envy some of you guys who know your families' roots. I don't know when my ancestors arrived here, but probably after the Revolution. A brother did some research and found they came from England and Wales.

Heh heh, no prob. And same here on those who can easily trace family roots. Im having a problem because my mother seemed to find quite a few more than my oldest brother did--and he disputes someof them.

If you like reading some really good books about the Battle of Stalingrad--he is always mentioned because--he was the commander of Luftflotte 3 or 4--I forget which? anyway, it was his responsibility to try to help keep the soldiers in Stalingrad-resupplied. One great book about the battle that is a must rerad--is Jason Mark's Island of Fire.

Im not sure when he got his RK? I can easily look it up at home in a German language book I have.

Kesselring was indeed a Field Marshal. All-together--therewere six Luftwaffe Field Marshals.

Herman Goring--who was shortly later promoted to head the Luftwaffe as Reichsmarschall.

"Smiling Albert" Albert Kesselring--who later commanded the armies in Sicily and Italy.

Erhard Milch.

Wolfram Freiherr von Richthoffen.

Hugo Sperrle (who Goring often joked about him being his most sinister-looking General)

And the last one promoted to that rank-was Robert Ritter von Griem--during the days when Berlin was surrounded and about to fall to the Russians.

Oh and, all of these listed had various grades of the Knights Cross.

 

[OFT II]

The Luftwaffe fought at Bunker Hill????

I guess that I need to read the entire thread from the first post.

 

[the ringo kid]

The Luftwaffe fought at Bunker Hill????

I guess that I need to read the entire thread from the first post.

Actually, Id posted the snapshot pix because I had no ime to start another thread. I was using timed library computers and posted the photo with less than a minute left.

 

[cowart]

Why was he awarded the Knight's Cross and when?

"When the Second World War broke out in September 1939, he commanded a specialized ground-attack air unit Fliegerkorps VIII (8th Air Corps), first as a small action unit in the Polish Campaign, and then as full-sized Air Corps in Western Europe, from May to June 1940. The effectiveness of his units proved decisive at certain points in the French Campaign, particularly covering the German thrust to the English Channel. He was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross on 23 May 1940, in view of his achievements. He continued in frontline service during the Battle of Britain and Balkans Campaign in 1940 and 1941."

 

[Cyrano]

Back to the Revolutgionary War. When the British chased Washington up one side of the Hudson River and down the other, there were many Hessians and other mercenaries who saw all that arable land and decided to desert. I grew up in the little town of Sherman, CT, near the NY border. There is a Wanzer Mountain in Sherman, named for a 'Hessian' who deserted, and built a house and farm in the southern part of the town. He only had daughters, so the name died out, but probably some of his descendents are there today,