agksimon
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The Shield also has a six+ pound trigger pull. I'm sure most 1911's cocked are somewhat less than that. Also my Shield sear has a slight hook on it, so it's not 100% cocked; close, but a very slight amount to cock before firing.
M&P Shield Safety vs. No Safety
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The Shield also has a six+ pound trigger pull. I'm sure most 1911's cocked are somewhat less than that. Also my Shield sear has a slight hook on it, so it's not 100% cocked; close, but a very slight amount to cock before firing.
Edmo
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As a lefty, the non-ambi safety isn't wanted and isn't very easy to flick-off if it is accidentally engaged.
I would be happy if they kept both the safety and the yellow take-down lever. I find both are useless and a waste of effort on my gun. However, many things today are designed by marketers and lawyers.
Edmo
I would be happy if they kept both the safety and the yellow take-down lever. I find both are useless and a waste of effort on my gun. However, many things today are designed by marketers and lawyers.
Edmo
That 6.5 lb is not like the long pull on a DA revolver But just like the let off on a 1911 with slightly more force
Would you carry a 1911 with a 6.5 lb pull cocked but not locked
Rpg
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My base is a 1911, cocked and locked.
If you know how to use a 1911, the thumb safety isn't a problem: you disengage it in the process of presentation: no extra time involved.
If you're a lefty, it's somewhat more time consuming
On the shield, the thumb safety adds nothing but it's absence isn't an advantage.
I suspect that most folks who buy the Shield don't have much handgun experience so the average consumer of this product hasn't mastered the use of a thumb safety
That said, the Shield thumb safety is pretty miserable and unpleasant to use so it doesn't impress me as a desirable feature
However, telling a jury why you didn't use a safety mechanism is tough going at best.
Just my opinion, of course.
If you know how to use a 1911, the thumb safety isn't a problem: you disengage it in the process of presentation: no extra time involved.
If you're a lefty, it's somewhat more time consuming
On the shield, the thumb safety adds nothing but it's absence isn't an advantage.
I suspect that most folks who buy the Shield don't have much handgun experience so the average consumer of this product hasn't mastered the use of a thumb safety
That said, the Shield thumb safety is pretty miserable and unpleasant to use so it doesn't impress me as a desirable feature
However, telling a jury why you didn't use a safety mechanism is tough going at best.
Just my opinion, of course.
To me the safety is a nice feature for when you may want to use it. I carry with the safety off, and it has never came on by accident, so that is a nonissue to me.
I like the safety mainly for loading/unloading the gun. In my opinion it just adds another level of precaution.
I like the safety mainly for loading/unloading the gun. In my opinion it just adds another level of precaution.
agksimon
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In addition to my Shield with a 6.5lb trigger, I also carry my M&P9c, with a 6.5lb trigger, that doesn't have a manual safety and as long as I, or anyone else with an M&P without a safety doesn't pull the trigger, it won't go off.
There are millions of M&P's out there without a manual safety, that don't go off on their own. I wonder how many M&P's have had a ND, because of a lack of a manual safety.
Smitty357
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This new no safety stuff is just hilarious. As if accidental shootings dont already happen with guns that have safeties.
Just another, lets make more money off an old design and call it new. Good marketing strategy thats for sure.
Just another, lets make more money off an old design and call it new. Good marketing strategy thats for sure.
You didn't answer my question
Would you carry a 1911 with a 6.5 trigger cocked but not locked
agksimon
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I've never even picked up a 1911, much less shot one. I'd have to look it over to answer your question.
Smitty357
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Grip safety no fair.
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Which would actually make the 1911 safer to carry cocked unlocked than an MP
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You could, and many do. Taking it completely off the pistol, however, makes it no less "safe" than the compact or full size M&P without an external safety, and many just want their compact pistol to function the same way WITHOUT the risk that an external safety can be activated accidentally. And some have reported such.
skip4309
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People who shoot themselves with any firearm have their FINGER ON THE TRIGGER...period...an AD/ND is when a trigger is pulled other than for the purpose of shooting, dry fire, practice, demo or function test....
NCW Ray
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is not necessarily true...can a trigger not be manipulated by some other device other than a finger...such has a button or string on a cover garment or a snap on a thumb break style holster?People who shoot themselves with any firearm have their FINGER ON THE TRIGGER...period...an AD/ND is when a trigger is pulled other than for the purpose of shooting, dry fire, practice, demo or function test....
"It got tangled in my clothing," Counceller said of his weapon. "I was wearing a sweatshirt and a fleece jacket. I felt (the gun) [Glock] go in the holster and I pushed it, but it was tangled in the material which caused it to discharge. The bullet went into my leg and then into the floor."
Ind. police chief accidentally shoots self at gun shop
Cordlocks on jacket drawstrings have also been known to cause this problem. That Indiana police chief is probably not the person to cite, since he makes a habit of shooting himself, and his story(ies) have been a little suspect.
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OldCat
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I thought that the "safe" trigger was designed to prevent an AD if the weapon were to be dropped with enough force that inertia would activate a standard trigger. This isn't a safety which will prevent or block the firing mechanism (that also could fail).
I automatically sweep any semi-auto as I draw it out of the holster before my finger is even near the trigger guard as I was taught 45 years ago. Also DA revolvers with transfer bars were considered the only safe gun to carry back then.
I automatically sweep any semi-auto as I draw it out of the holster before my finger is even near the trigger guard as I was taught 45 years ago. Also DA revolvers with transfer bars were considered the only safe gun to carry back then.
I was debating which version to buy since my 9c doesn't have a thumb safety. The only ones in stock were the ones with a safety so I bought one. I'm not too concerned with the safety being accidentally engage or disengaged. Its pretty stiff on the one I purchased.
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Not to bring back an old dead thread, but I just purchased a Shield without the safety. As a lefty, most smaller guns like the LC-9 and the shield have a right hand ONLY safety. I would have absolutely considered a shield with an ambidextrous safety, but a safety I can't operate with my strong hand that has even a 0.5% chance of accidentally being engaged isn't something I would carry.
