What scope or red dot are you using?

[andishdi]

Just saw this... Now very keen; anyone tried one of these?

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_5X_Compact_Scope_p/pac5x.htm

I have family going to Florida in a couple of weeks, do you think they'll be okay taking it out of the country?

 

[Rob1]

Just saw this... Now very keen; anyone tried one of these?

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_5X_Compact_Scope_p/pac5x.htm

I have family going to Florida in a couple of weeks, do you think they'll be okay taking it out of the country?

Looks good, though my guess is it would be ITAR regulated, so would need export and other paperwork. could be a risk to try and sneak one out. they are hot on checking people and bags in and out..

That's just my opinion mind you

Rob

 

[andishdi]

You're almost certainly right

Best I can find here is a Vortex 3x and the reticule isn't as good (also £70 more expensive than the bargain £200 the PA works out at in Pounds)... I'll be going to US in August so might try and find out the situation by then - maybe just ask if that specific product is prohibited for export.

Most stockists of prism scopes seem to be airsoft shops, struggling to find them elsewhere.

 

[Buckshot Barry]

Cant think of the model designation right now but it's a Tru Glo red/green dot that has a reticule virtually identical to the one on my EoTech 512 that I have on my S&W AR-15. Makes the 15-22 an even better training tool.

 

[tramblygoat]

I put a Vortex Strikefire 2 on mine. Maybe I'll keep it on or maybe put on a Bushnell 223 scope I purchased at the same time. One will be put on my Stag 3TM when it arrives and one will live on the MP15-22.

I'm happy with the Strikefire mount and the red dot size and brightness. I think this is already at the sensible price limit ($180) for a 22LR. Although anyone who has the budget or the inclination to do so can add Eotech tech etc. I believe that this is a folly - in the same way that overspeccing a $10,000 car with $20,000 of options would be.

Only the user can decide of course but I would feel embarrassed bringing out a 22LR at the range with some high end sighting system on it.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

I believe that this is a folly - in the same way that overspeccing a $10,000 car with $20,000 of options would be.

The problem with your logic has to do with standardization. The vast majority of AR parts, be it a detent spring to a complete upper or lower, follow the same specifications. That means most any part I have, can be switched between my guns. That also means it is very easy to sell or trade excess parts. It also means, any optic I own is not dedicated to any specific gun, as the same with lots of other attachments... such as lights, suppressors, grips, etc. In the past year, my SBR 15-22 has worn a TRS-25, an Eotech & an Aimpoint Pro. I don't have expensive lights/mounts for each of my guns. I put it on the gun that needs it at that moment.

With the car example you give, there is no standardization. Heck, even something as simple as an air filter won't fit between two different cars. Generally, when you buy a part for a car that part only works on that car. Think about buying auto parts. You have to search thru some huge book to find that one part, amongst hundreds, that fits on your particular model & year. You see any big books like that for AR parts?

One day you may find an Aimpoint, a suppressor & a Surefire light on my 15-22. Next time you see it it might only have a TRS-25 on it. That to me is the beauty of outfitting & customizing ARs, as opposed to cars. And why I don't buy into the logic that there is some "sensible" limit to what can be put on a lowly 22lr. What is sensible to one is outrageous to another. What is a limit to one is just a starting point for others.

 

[Rob1]

I put a Vortex Strikefire 2 on mine. Maybe I'll keep it on or maybe put on a Bushnell 223 scope I purchased at the same time. One will be put on my Stag 3TM when it arrives and one will live on the MP15-22.

I'm happy with the Strikefire mount and the red dot size and brightness. I think this is already at the sensible price limit ($180) for a 22LR. Although anyone who has the budget or the inclination to do so can add Eotech tech etc. I believe that this is a folly - in the same way that overspeccing a $10,000 car with $20,000 of options would be.

Only the user can decide of course but I would feel embarrassed bringing out a 22LR at the range with some high end sighting system on it.

I agree that the user is the one who can ultimately decide what level of optic or sight to use.

But why embarrassed to show if you had chosen to spend a lot on a sight unit? Surely that would just be a demonstration of investing in future shooting.

 

[S.B.]

andishdi, you've got my attention. Will look into this new device, soon.
Steve

 

[andishdi]

andishdi, you've got my attention. Will look into this new device, soon.
Steve

Looks good doesn't it Steve, did you watch the video talking about the reticule?

So sad I'll probably never be able to get one in the UK...

 

[remusn]

On my 15-22 I put a UTG red and green dot sight. No magnification, but it's just mainly a .22 plinker. Works perfectly for my purposes. I cost me about forty dollars and has been worth every cent. I put another one on an ar15 in .223 but found it unsatisfactory due to the lack of magnification.

 

[Kayback]

On my 15-22 I put a UTG red and green dot sight. No magnification, but it's just mainly a .22 plinker. Works perfectly for my purposes. I cost me about forty dollars and has been worth every cent. I put another one on an ar15 in .223 but found it unsatisfactory due to the lack of magnification.

I have used one of these as well and found it to suitable for most plinking and even some competition use of the 15-22.

KBK

 

[Kayback]

You're almost certainly right

Best I can find here is a Vortex 3x and the reticule isn't as good (also £70 more expensive than the bargain £200 the PA works out at in Pounds)... I'll be going to US in August so might try and find out the situation by then - maybe just ask if that specific product is prohibited for export.

Most stockists of prism scopes seem to be airsoft shops, struggling to find them elsewhere.

Organizing an export permit is not impossible. E-mail Brownells. They have a pretty good track record of helping consumers through the paperwork.

 

[andishdi]

Organizing an export permit is not impossible. E-mail Brownells. They have a pretty good track record of helping consumers through the paperwork.

The US Brownells? Why would they help someone with their own export licence?

Don't get me wrong, it'd be fantastic if they did I just can't see how they'd benefit.

Do you know how much work it is? Cost etc...?

 

[Kayback]

It is permission to export what you order, not a blanket license to export. You still need to buy the item from them so they still make money. Helping you get the item is just good customer service. I do not know how much it costs, you need to email Brownells. Some stuff like Gen 3 NVG's they won't help you ship.

KBK

Just remember to be able to export in terms of ITAR the manufacturer must be registered as well, many smaller companies aren't because it costs something like $10 000 per year to be registered. Then the item itself must be allowed to be exported (as I said Gen 3 NVG's aren't) and the selling company must be registered to export (Brownells is).

KBK

 

[andishdi]

Okay, thanks for the advice - I was confused as the sight I'd mentioned was a Primary Arms unit that Brownells don't stock.

They do a different 5x prism sight albeit $110 more but otherwise very similar, it states it cannot be shipped outside of the US but I'll contact Brownells UK and make an enquiry - thanks again.

 

[little_airwolf]

Just wondering if you guy pay any attention to the specs on weight for these red dot scopes?
IMO the 15-22 is an ultralight 22
So why would you put a scope or red dot/laser on it that is half or more the weight of the rifle?
I have bought junk chinese sights and they were 1.5+lb plus didnt last.
Guess thats why some of us drop $500+ on sights.

 

[GhostMutt]

Just wondering if you guy pay any attention to the specs on weight for these red dot scopes?
IMO the 15-22 is an ultralight 22
So why would you put a scope or red dot/laser on it that is half or more the weight of the rifle?
I have bought junk chinese sights and they were 1.5+lb plus didnt last.
Guess thats why some of us drop $500+ on sights.

I bought my scope for the quality of the glass, the crispness of the reticle and the magnification and PA, i didnt for once consider or care how much it weighed. If you want an ultralight fine, but not all of us really care about that, from what ive read on this forum only a couple of shooters, yourself included are OCD about its weight or lack of, unless you strap an anvil to it its still lighter than most out there and even with all the stuff attached to mine it is still light enough to control and hold for a considerable amount of trigger time.

 

[trebor127]

You're almost certainly right

Best I can find here is a Vortex 3x and the reticule isn't as good (also £70 more expensive than the bargain £200 the PA works out at in Pounds)... I'll be going to US in August so might try and find out the situation by then - maybe just ask if that specific product is prohibited for export.

Most stockists of prism scopes seem to be airsoft shops, struggling to find them elsewhere.

You would not go far wrong with the Vortex range of optics here in England

and with the life time warranty they all carry

http://www.riflecraft.co.uk/brands/vortex-optics-3.aspx

i will be looking to sort a "Razor" to go along with a 12"

barrelled 15-22 and swap out with my EXPS3-0 and G33

and before any neg comments "its because i can "

keith

 

[andishdi]

Keith - I'd already seen the Spitfire 3x and it looks like an excellent piece of kit but with me already have a 2x red dot I wanted more of a magnification upgrade to a 5x (or 4x as it looks as if I'll have to settle for).

It seems 5x are unheard of over here unless I wanted to pay £500 for the one that's on Amazon UK (same pic as the last one I posted) and knowing that's $400 in US I can't bring myself to do it; hate feeling as if I'm getting shafted just for living in the UK... That and (whilst it's every individual's choice) I can't bring myself to spend £500 for the use I'll give it.

 

[GhostMutt]

and before any neg comments "its because i can "

keith

Yup, i dont think the issue is anything other than the cost...if we all had the cash to spend on high quality optics then for me it would be Zeiss optics, red dot and scope. Anyone who gives negative comments about what optics get put on what, i dare them to say that if they had the funds or were offered them for free, they wouldn't do the same!
For me it goes the same for anything, my Mrs complained at my £300 IEM's until she heard them. It all about what you can afford to spend. When i win the lotto, Eotech/Aimpoint/Zeiss/IOR will know me as a regular customer, with custom made optics....Haha, until that day, then i put on the best i can afford and what i like.

Personally I'm looking forward to when us UK owners have a meet up so i can sample the Eotech's that you guys have and appreciate the type of quality optics that can be bought.

And another thing.....(i am aware you shouldn't start a sentence with 'and' but I'm miffed) why all the 22lr bashing? as if its not worthy? ask Bobby Kennedy if the 22lr isn't a worthy round, oh no you cant'
Here in the UK we dont have the same liberal attitude to firearms that (for now) those in the States have. I happen to like shooting, i have had a lot of success seeing i only started a few years ago and although the lowly 22lr may not viewed as 'real' bullets or not worthy to compete. I happen to enjoy it very much and am happy that rifles like the 15-22 allow me to mess about with add ons and 'pimping' out and increase the fun factor of an already exciting past time.
I used to do Iaido and Kendo which were equally equipment dependant and the more you payed the better quality you got, a lot of the same mental and physical disciplines apply, it is good for the soul and people are allowed to dress up THEIR rifles with whatever equipment they want...sometimes i even like to go back to iron sights and not even concentrate while i blast 50 rounds in 25 seconds at a bean tin.

Ooopps what happened there i got on my soapbox, now here comes the Mrs with my medication....