Extremely off topic: A Bridge Too Far

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Memorial Day.

Watching the movie A Bridge Too Far, and wondering, do I have what these men had? The men that won WWII. Determination, dedication, and sacrifice. They died by the thousands. Could I ever replicate they did? What motivated them? What did they expect from their efforts? What do I owe them? How can I ever repay them for what they gave? These men were like mountains. Huge. I am in awe of the debt that they paid. Thomas Jefferson said that the Tree of Liberty must be watered in blood. I am completely and totally humbled. I thank them and pray for them all.

God bless them. And God bless the USA.

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Only you can decide if you are the type of a man that went off to war in WWII. For me it was the belief in the freedoms we enjoy in this country. A belief in doing what you believe is right and just. The men that won WWII were mostly grown men I think the average age of a WWII solder was 26. I bet that these men were all afraid, they faced the fear and ran cross the beach knowing they were likely die. It's about beliefs. it I hard to know how a person will respond to fear. But if you trust your training you can over come the terror, and fight.
 
I grew up with the idea of the "Greatest Generation". My father was one of them. As I've gotten older and experienced different things I've come to the conclusion that every generation that picked up arms and went into "harms way" was the greatest generation. I don't think it took any more courage to attack the bridge at Arnhem than it did to go over the top at Château-Thierry, the soldiers in the A Shau valley weren't much different than the ones at Gettysburg, and the guys at the Chosin were just as scared and cold as they were at Bastogne. None of us knew what we would do until we got into combat. Most of us followed our training, some did not. Some of us survived, some did not. The foundations of this country are built on some very strong shoulders.
 
That generation is different. They grew up during the Great Depression. The US had been attacked and the threat was real. The entire nation was behind the war effort and no one was untouched. Everyone had a sense of Patriotism. Everyone knew someone was in uniform. Everyone supported the war effort at home. Everyone sacrificed. Everyone.

The fighting men knew the nation was behind them. The fighting men knew the government was behind them and would take care of them. The fighting men knew the government was committed to victory. The fighting men knew the only way home was victory or death. The fighting man fought and died in the hope that victory would ensure that their sons and grandsons wouldn't have to fight and make the sacrifices they did.

Why not fight and die for that?
 
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Those men were not raised like girls as so many are today. Most were taught to work and pray and do what was right. They had respect for their parents and others and respect for authority. Something that is sorely missing today in our society. My great uncle was gassed in the Argon Forrest. My uncle fought in New Guienae or however you spell it. Both survived. Those men helped to save the world. They knew what they were fighting for. We had leaders then that knew the score and what had to be done. Unlike today. God help us.
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Thought provoking thread.

I last last saw A Bridge Too Far a long time ago and my only complaint was Ryan O'Neal being very miscast, IMO, as James "Jumping Jim" Gavin, CO of the 82nd Airborne(at least their ages was spot on-Gavin was 37 at the time of the battle and O'Neal was 36 when he played him).

BTW:for anyone out there not familiar with Gavin's life story-it is truly inspiring.

After experiencing a very difficult childhood he ran away from home, enlisted in the Army(having to lie about is age)got an appointment to West Point and rose up the Army hierarchy to become the youngest major general to command a division and eventually became US Ambassador to France during the Kennedy administration(an excellent biography: Paratrooper: The life of Gen. James M. Gavin by Michael Booth & Duncan Spencer).

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The Dutch have not forgotten Arnhem and the other battles to free them. I just saw on TV news a ceremony there honoring the US dead who perished that Holland might be free.

I think the vanity of the generals who signed off on the Arnhem raid after dismissing air intelligence photos showing the German tanks were too danged vain. And whoever supplied incorrect radio crystals was just plain incompetent. But Maj. Gen. Urquhart's officers should have ensured that they had the right ones.

Even Germans admired the ferocity of the Parachute Regiment. Those red-bereted men fought like tigers.

But were they more valiant than one of their modern members who was recently awarded the Victoria Cross for gallantry in Afghanistan? Among those he saved while also recovering and using a machinegun under fire so intense that bullets ricocheted off the gun as he retrieved it was a US Marine captain, along for the mission. L/Cpl. Joshua Leakey, V.C. showed the same spirit as his forebears in that regiment did in 1944.

And I think that modern US soldiers do the same. I think they endure even more than our forces did in WWII, because there are fewer of them and they rotate back to the battle zone, time after time. They do this in a war that has lasted three times as long as US involvement in WWII did!

We do have an unsupportive media in many cases, who undermine our troops and extoll leftist elements who do not have our best interests at heart. The WWII soldier was spared that.

They had reporters like Richard Tregaskis on Guadalcanal, who carried a .45 because he WAS NOT there to interview the enemy and they might shoot him. We had Ernie Pyle, who also went upfront with the troops and did well by them.

The closest thing we have now is a blonde South African woman who is a CBS correspondent and who has been chastised for seeming too friendly to our troops and their cause. Frankly, I approve the way that Lara Logan admires Medal of Honor awardees and earns their trust. Her bosses seem to think they should be skeptical of our involvement in wars and are there to criticize as much as anything. During the first Gulf war, Harry Smith agonized about one soldier who played a musical instrument possibly having to use a rifle. We were told how fierce the Iraqis were and how tough a nut Iraq would be to crack, as if US forces were not up to the task. In fact, the 3rd Infantry, to cite just my son's division, went further and took more land in less time than any US unit had done in any prior war. The Iraqis were not pushovers, but we beat them as surely as our fathers defeated determined Germans and Japanese. The US fighting man has not gone soft. His support in the USA sometimes has, especially among those reporting the war.

Anyway, yes, the Allied generals, especially Lord Montgomery, made some errors and the men in the field at Arnhem paid for their trying to go A Bridge Too Far.

We remember them today, and I am glad that the Dutch nation still honors their sacrifice . I'm glad that my NBC channel showed that ceremony, however briefly. They aren't all bad, all the time.

BTW, if you haven't read Donald R. Burgett's, "The Road Past Arnhem", do. He was a US paratrooper there and saw first hand what those soldiers endured.

Finally, I don't see how your thread is off topic. It is Memorial Day...
 
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Upper right is my Dad, dropping supplies to the troops surrounded by Germans. 82nd Airborne and Polish Army forces were his recipients.

His formation leader had the misfortune of turning out on a road after the drop, where he ran into a 20mm German gun truck. They did not make it back. My Dad's aircraft sustained over 200 holes from small arms and anti-aircraft fire.

They practiced VERY low level flying leading up to the mission, he said that they had to pull up to avoid hitting farm houses and barns., Over the drop zone they had to climb so the chutes would open before they impacted the ground. He said he felt like a duck flaring over decoys, they were easier to hit as thy climbed and slowed down.

He was 20 years old, and was the plane's navigator. RIP, Dad.
 

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To answer your questions. These are my answers only.

1. Could I replicate what they did.
I doubt it.

2. What motivated them?
I ask a dear friend of mine that was in the 29th Infantry with the "Bedford Boys" that question, his answer was, "I had rather been killed than for my family to find out that I was a coward. I did it for my buddies because we were closer than our own brothers."

3. What did they expect from their efforts?
Again I ask my friend that. He said only one word. "Nothing".

4. What do I owe them?
I owe those brave kids that saved the world, my way of life, my freedom. Everything.

5. How can I repay them for what they gave?
I can't! But I can honor their memory by not forgetting their sacrifices.

I think what Thomas Jefferson said went like this. The Tree of Liberty needs to be occasionally watered by the blood of tyrants and patriots.
 
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I would suggest reading the book since so much is left out of the movie.


The book has good pics of the men depicted in the film, too. But Urquhart didn't really look a lot like Sir Sean Connery, and I haven't seen a photo of the major played by Robt. Redford.

I say to see the movie and also read the book and read that one I mentioned above, by a paratrooper who participated in the battle. They're all good.
 
Two of the best scenes ever were when Michael Caine was starting up the road in his tank and the Germans attacked with PAK's (anti-tank guns). Then the Brits returned fire, the sound of the guns being loaded and fired is awesome. The other scene was when they were loading up the C-47's and the C-47's were taking off with the gliders in tow. Don't know how they managed to replicate this in a movie but it was super.
 
Cornelius Ryan was dying of active and advanced Prostate Cancer as he wrote the book, yet he put all he could into finishing it.

You might also read his "A Private Battle", constructed from his notes and his wife's diaries after his passing. I recommend it to all who think Prostate Cancer is "the good cancer".
 
For an American perspective, I would highly recommend you read "September Hope" by John McManus. It came out in 2012, and it focuses on the US part of Operation Market-Garden and is obviously based on exhaustive research and source work. It really makes you appreciate what those Airborne guys jumped into.
 

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The Greatest Generation

That's what they're called and deservedly so. It wasn't just the servicemen, everyone sacrificed and did his or her part to win the war.
 
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