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I just bought a Keltec P-11 and it is a good shooting pistol. It fits in my pocket, holds 11 rounds and will take a 5900 magazine. Best of all $230.00.
Pocket 9 replacement?
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I second the nano:
https://thedesertsedge.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/beretta-nano-vs-sig-p290rs-a-detailed-comparison/
https://thedesertsedge.wordpress.com/2013/08/06/a-review-of-the-beretta-nano/
However if you are having an issue with slide racking won't you have an issue with all of them? Smaller nines have stouter springs and hence are a little harder to rack. Why not just go with a 9mm LCR if you want to stay with 9mm or move to a J-Frame, or a Colt D frame with 6 shots?
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I had so much trouble with my Kel-Tec P-9 I gave up on it. The Colt Mustang and SIG P 938 are excellent but they're single action and I just cannot agree with using a single action gun in your pocket and I did it for 20 years with a Beretta 950BS. 25ACP, .380, 9mm, it doesn't matter, I am against single action. I firmly believe in draw from the pocket and shoot, not draw, cock, and shoot. (I don't mean shoot willy-nilly, I mean to not have to think about anything else).
I decided on J-frames only for that reason, although the Nano looks mighty good, as does the Kahr, for pocket carry.
I decided on J-frames only for that reason, although the Nano looks mighty good, as does the Kahr, for pocket carry.
Gun magazine quality has plummeted in the past 20 year
That's the same magazine that touted extreme shock ammo and parroted the sales pitch from the manufacturer. I really cannot trust places that are given guns the test because why would they say anything bad about guns or they won't get any new ones to test. Plus you don't want to make your heavy advertisers mad, got to give them good reviews.
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As to whether you will be able to operate the trigger I cannot say, but here are some pocket 9s with triggers far lighter than a DAO snub revolver: S&W Shield 9, Glock 43, Walther PPS, Ruger LC9S Pro. I cannot speak for Beretta Nano, the single stack Springfield XD or the SIG 290. I recommend against a single action such as the SIG 938 for pocket carry as I do not care for Condition 1 in a pocket holster.
Kahr PM9. A little nicer than the CM model IMO.
Shawn mentions light triggers. The Kimber Solo 9 may be the champion there, though they do not seem to be a lot lighter and smoother than the Kahrs. Both are long. The Kimber is pricey and the mag release (at least on mine) is a real nuisance.
The Guns & Ammo July 2015 edition has a very straight forward test of 9mm pocket guns. It is worth reading IMHO, but as in everything, take it with a little grain of salt. My wife has hand strength issues, but has no trouble operating and shooting her .380 (I know you specified 9mm) Taurus 738 TCP. If you are stuck on the 9mm, I would add the Taurus 709 Slim to the list for consideration. It certainly won't break the bank, if you buy one and decide it isn't for you.
BTW, in the G&A tests, they didn't clean or lubricate any of the pistols at any time. Out of the box and to the range. That seems a little excessive to me, but that was their test.
BTW, in the G&A tests, they didn't clean or lubricate any of the pistols at any time. Out of the box and to the range. That seems a little excessive to me, but that was their test.
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I've heard of reliability issues with and Smith and Wesson's too
In the first 300 rounds I have a few fte on cheap 115 grain target ammo never with any 124 147 or 115 grain jacketed hollow point
I'm one of those links I provided I shoot 250 straight rounds of UMC 115 grain with zero failures to show that mine does not have any reliability problems
All the small auto guns have reliability problems there are lemons in every bunch because of the tight tolerances and highe pressures in small packages.
That's my take.
Just drop one of these in your pocket.
And off you go.
And off you go.
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What don't you like about the CM9? Just wondering because I'm interested in it for Pocket carry.
I have both a M&P 9c and an Sig 938. While the M&P (and most polymer guns) is considered a double action gun, I and a lot of other people do not consider it to be double action. I consider it to be single action. I carry both my 9c and my Sig cocked and locked. Since I grew up shooting 1911's, I feel very comfortable with thumb safeties. Both of my carry guns have thumb safeties. If you carry your SA gun in a holster that covers the trigger guard and keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot it, SA guns are safe to carry cocked and locked IMO.
As to the original posters question.. I understand that you want to stay with a 9mm. However, with your arthritis, that might not be an option. I would look at the Sig 238. It is a .380, but it has gotten really good reviews when it comes to stopping power. It is also known for the slide being really easy to rack. I was seriously looking at the 238 when I was looking at a lighter weight carry gun. It is not the cheapest though.. The folks who I have talked to who have them, love them. Same goes for the 938 that I ended up getting. A pocket carry gun (a.k.a. small light weight gun) will have more recoil than a larger gun. That might now work well with your arthritis. While revolvers are not my cup of tea, I am with the others who say that a revolver might solve your issue. No slide to rack, easy to carry.
Let us know what you decide.
As to the original posters question.. I understand that you want to stay with a 9mm. However, with your arthritis, that might not be an option. I would look at the Sig 238. It is a .380, but it has gotten really good reviews when it comes to stopping power. It is also known for the slide being really easy to rack. I was seriously looking at the 238 when I was looking at a lighter weight carry gun. It is not the cheapest though.. The folks who I have talked to who have them, love them. Same goes for the 938 that I ended up getting. A pocket carry gun (a.k.a. small light weight gun) will have more recoil than a larger gun. That might now work well with your arthritis. While revolvers are not my cup of tea, I am with the others who say that a revolver might solve your issue. No slide to rack, easy to carry.
Let us know what you decide.
I had a Springfield XDS in .45 and did pocket carry it but it is a heavier gun and with your arthritis you would have difficulty with the slide because they have very strong springs in them. After I purchased my 9mm Shield, I sold the XDS. I love the Shield and have great results with accuracy and highly recommend it. However, you may also have difficulty racking the slide on it too although it's not as bad as the XDS. I do have a Sig P238 and everyone is right in that the slide is very easy to manage. However, the trigger pull is about 7 lbs. but it does break cleanly. The only issue for me is that I don't like the plastic serrated trigger and I've just ordered a brushed skeletonized stainless steel trigger form W Engineering that I'm looking forward to installing. Along this line of thinking, I have a friend who owns the Sig P938 and he loves it and that could be the ticket for you although they are more pricey. The P238's are available brand new now for under $500 which is not too bad (for a Sig) but definitely costs more than the Shield. Good luck in whatever you go with. Elliot45
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I have been experiancing the same pain. All I care to shoot these days are Revolvers, A lot less pain. All I carry now is a LCR 357 AIWB and a 442 in the pocket. Both loaded with Gold Dot 135g.+P
I have been experiancing the same pain. All I care to shoot these days are Revolvers, A lot less pain. All I carry now is a LCR 357 AIWB and a 442 in the pocket. Both loaded with Gold Dot 135g.+P
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So I went to Gander Mountain tonight to do just that…gander around a bit☺ Don't intend to buy there (too pricey), but wanted to get an idea of what I might be able to handle.
Tried several things. Mostly from Springfield and Smith & Wesson as that is what they had that was closest to what I might consider. As I expected, I had the same types of difficulty with all of those (difficult to manipulate and my hands quickly started to hurt).
Then I tried something I hadn't been considering. The Sig P938. I was quite pleasantly surprised as I was able to manipulate the slide, safety, trigger, and magazine release with no problems whatsoever. My wife was with me and she was able to also. This is an issue, as she almost can never manipulate the controls in a semi auto. Needless to say, I was impressed. Here are my questions/concerns:
1. Price: Obviously, it's much more than most of the others previously discussed. It does, however, show in the quality of the materials. The model that I liked the best was the Extreme. They had it at $769. I'm sure this is high and am wondering what a more realistic price might be.
2. Controls: Although I have shot 1911s before, I do not own or regularly handle one. My biggest concern is becoming used to the manual of arms and automaticity of a SA gun with the safety engaged in a high stress situation.
3. Quality/reliability – handling it and reading the reviews, it appears to be a very high quality piece. However, I am wondering how it has been from those with first hand experience.
I appreciate any feedback on those questions or any other thoughts.
Thanks, and thanks to all of those who have chimed in so far. I appreciate what a positive and generous community this is.
BTW-I also appreciate the sympathetic comments about the difficulty with my hands. My mother has suffered significantly from rheumatoid arthritis for years, and I see the pain and debilitation she deals with. This has just become an issue in the last year for me and I am still trying to get used to it. I never really expected to get old enough for stuff to quit working ☺
Tried several things. Mostly from Springfield and Smith & Wesson as that is what they had that was closest to what I might consider. As I expected, I had the same types of difficulty with all of those (difficult to manipulate and my hands quickly started to hurt).
Then I tried something I hadn't been considering. The Sig P938. I was quite pleasantly surprised as I was able to manipulate the slide, safety, trigger, and magazine release with no problems whatsoever. My wife was with me and she was able to also. This is an issue, as she almost can never manipulate the controls in a semi auto. Needless to say, I was impressed. Here are my questions/concerns:
1. Price: Obviously, it's much more than most of the others previously discussed. It does, however, show in the quality of the materials. The model that I liked the best was the Extreme. They had it at $769. I'm sure this is high and am wondering what a more realistic price might be.
2. Controls: Although I have shot 1911s before, I do not own or regularly handle one. My biggest concern is becoming used to the manual of arms and automaticity of a SA gun with the safety engaged in a high stress situation.
3. Quality/reliability – handling it and reading the reviews, it appears to be a very high quality piece. However, I am wondering how it has been from those with first hand experience.
I appreciate any feedback on those questions or any other thoughts.
Thanks, and thanks to all of those who have chimed in so far. I appreciate what a positive and generous community this is.
BTW-I also appreciate the sympathetic comments about the difficulty with my hands. My mother has suffered significantly from rheumatoid arthritis for years, and I see the pain and debilitation she deals with. This has just become an issue in the last year for me and I am still trying to get used to it. I never really expected to get old enough for stuff to quit working ☺
