NRA backs new BGC Bill

[ladder13]

Sen Cornyn proposes a new Bill aimed towards the "mentally ill" and gun ownership.
This one looks ripe for abuse unless some other safeguards are put in place. Veterans??

No. 2 Senate Republican proposing gun background check bill - AOL.com

 

[GaryS]

The reporting is typical liberal media garbage. This isn't an expanded background check bill. It's a bill to update data under the existing rules.

The fact that the Brady bunch doesn't like it, means that it's probably a good bill.

Note the inaccurate reporting about mental illness. The law requires adjudication by a judge to make a person prohibited under federal law. Which is why the Social Security thing won't fly, although that might take a court challenge to overturn.

Then again, the bill will likely die in the House anyway.

 

[the ringo kid]

The reporting is typical liberal media garbage. This isn't an expanded background check bill. It's a bill to update data under the existing rules.

The fact that the Brady bunch doesn't like it, means that it's probably a good bill.

Note the inaccurate reporting about mental illness. The law requires adjudication by a judge to make a person prohibited under federal law. Which is why the Social Security thing won't fly, although that might take a court challenge to overturn.

Then again, the bill will likely die in the House anyway.

True.Your should have seen the story I read on this yesterday--making it look like Cornyn and the NRA were stabbing us in the back.It was an Ap--report but--I forgot to write down who the so-called--reporter was.

 

[Mac!Gettothechoppa'!]

Well it's obvious to me that something needs to be done about these head cases buying guns legally. I say the POTUS or House of Reps should maybe propose a bill that exactly mimics the same criteria used by the military. If you are too crazy to have access to a gun in the military, then, you are nuts, IMO!

 

[cmj8591]

Maybe we need to start institutionalizing these dangerous nut cases. The idiot that shot up the theater in Colo. should have never been allowed to walk among us. The mental health professionals knew he was a danger but the system was not able to deal with him. That's the joke with all this gun control nonsense; The mental health system and the criminal justice system are broken and the politicians want to fix them by passing more gun legislation.

 

[BC38]

...That's the joke with all this gun control nonsense; The mental health system and the criminal justice system are broken and the politicians want to fix them by passing more gun legislation.

Actually they don't give a RIP about trying to fix anything. All they want is to disarm the honest citizens so that we have no way to resist anything they choose to do.

It's a lot easier and cheaper to impose more laws on the law abiding than to try to actually do something constructive with the lawless and crazy...

 

[pharmer]

We've had a "background check system" in Florida since 1991. Call in and unless your last name is "Smith" or have some other "disqualifier", you are good to go. If'n you have a CWP you can take the gun with you. I guess they could make up a "list" based on the ID and gun type but so far so good. I figure the carry license I have had since the mid-'80's should have me on some kinda list anyway. Joe

 

[redlevel]

The nefarious Dudley Brown and his NAGR organization is once again vilifying NRA by using misinformation and outright deceit regarding this issue. He is claiming that Senator Cornyn and NRA are "selling out" gun owners in general and veterans in particular when the truth is exactly opposite of what they (NAGR) are claiming. Here is the straight of it. The Bill would in fact guarantee due process for veterans.
NRA-Backed Cornyn Bill Would Give Due Process Rights to Veterans Denied Guns | Washington Free Beacon

 

[BigBill]

The new laws aren't working. Bill on top of Bill on top of Bill.

There looking to make new laws so guns can't be in the purchased by the mentally impaired. How do they figure out who is? Newtown did all this that punk aznaL. I refuse to spell his name. But how did this last shooter with a record buy a handgun. It fell through the cracks of the system. Now who's responsible? Someone should be held responsible for there mistake.

Give me a nation wide ccw permit with a credit card reader strip. This will allow us to purchase guns in any state and run my card to make sure I'm a good gun guy. Cut down on paperwork.

 

[GatorFarmer]

Jeffery Dahmer was, if memory serves, seeing mental health professionals during the time frame of some of his murders. He was found to be "normal" and also found "sane" for purposes of standing trial.

Thus I would suggest placing limited faith in any mental health diagnosis.

 

[GaryS]

Unfortunately, institutionalization is not really an option these days. Most all of the mental hospitals were closed starting in the late 1950s. The same forces and people that were behind that are behind gun control. That's not a coincidence.

I strongly recommend that anyone interested in the isse read "My Brother Ron" by Clayton Cramer.

If you don't know who Clayton is, start here.

He's very Pro 2A, his work has been cited in Supreme Court briefs, and his very thorough in his work.

The book gives a really detailed history of mental illness in the US since the colonial days.

Maybe we need to start institutionalizing these dangerous nut cases. The idiot that shot up the theater in Colo. should have never been allowed to walk among us. The mental health professionals knew he was a danger but the system was not able to deal with him. That's the joke with all this gun control nonsense; The mental health system and the criminal justice system are broken and the politicians want to fix them by passing more gun legislation.

 

[jag22]

If you read many of the posts about mental health and guns (and there are a lot of them) I think you will see there is a desire to do something but no one is quite sure what. Obviously there is no easy answer. So the choice seems to be that which is least offensive to the most (what ever that is) or keep going like we are. Not much of a choice ism it?

 

[GaryS]

Or we could do what the White House is trying to do. Expand the definition of "mentally ill" and "incompetent to manage their own affairs" to everyone that seeks counseling or needs some one to help them balance their check book.

Using the VA and Social Security Administration to make as many people as possible prohibited won't solve the problem.

If you read many of the posts about mental health and guns (and there are a lot of them) I think you will see there is a desire to do something but no one is quite sure what. Obviously there is no easy answer. So the choice seems to be that which is least offensive to the most (what ever that is) or keep going like we are. Not much of a choice ism it?

 

[BC38]

If you read many of the posts about mental health and guns (and there are a lot of them) I think you will see there is a desire to do something but no one is quite sure what. Obviously there is no easy answer. So the choice seems to be that which is least offensive to the most (what ever that is) or keep going like we are. Not much of a choice ism it?

How about have a system where a review board - say 5 mental health professionals, with at least 2 of them being Pro-2A and knowledgeable about firearms - have to declare the person as ineligible based on specific criteria and require a 4 out of 5 majority in agreement that a person should be restricted from firearms in order for a person's gun rights to be "suspended". Require an annual review by a different panel to continue the restriction.

 

[johngalt]

How about reaffirming that gun ownership is a right, not a privilege for which I must prove myself worthy by subjecting myself to background checks and examinations by government agents?

 

[fordson]

We've had a "background check system" in Florida since 1991. Call in and unless your last name is "Smith" or have some other "disqualifier", you are good to go. If'n you have a CWP you can take the gun with you. I guess they could make up a "list" based on the ID and gun type but so far so good. I figure the carry license I have had since the mid-'80's should have me on some kinda list anyway. Joe

It's called BIDS - Blind Identification Data System. Similar to a "No Fly" DB, this would be a "No Buy" DB. it's been presented to Congress with no interest shown. Too bad cause it may have possibilities.

 

[johngalt]

It's called BIDS - Blind Identification Data System. Similar to a "No Fly" DB, this would be a "No Buy" DB. it's been presented to Congress with no interest shown. Too bad cause it may have possibilities.

I thought NICS was the 'no buy' list?

I certainly don't want something modeled on the 'no fly' list. The criteria for being put on the list is secret, there is no due process, and the appeal process for getting off the list is very difficult to non-existent.

 

[quneur]

"States providing less data could see their grants from a broad range of justice programs penalized by the same amounts, at the attorney general's discretion."

Instituting a quota system could easily be abused. A large portion of mental illness are homeless (or housing-challenged for PC folks) and tend to gravitate to high population urban areas. Rural and suburban areas won't have the same numbers if using urban areas as a criteria.

Its easier to expand the criteria than it is to repeal it. I personally believe it would give the AG too much discretion.

 

[TTSH]

The fact that the Brady bunch doesn't like it, means that it's probably a good bill.

That's all I'd need to know.

 

[Road Rat]

Be very careful about this bill. It smells a lot like the one the
"McCarthy-Schumer-Leahy bill through the Senate Judiciary Committee" attempted to get through back in 2007.

We need some means of getting the real mentally ill input into the database but we must tread extremely careful...............

I, for one, have no desire for all the returning military personnel added to some government list of "bad guys"...