Things you learn living in a shady neighborhood

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In a thread on anoTHeR forum someone made a comment about not having to plan every move like a tactical exercise or words pretty close to that and it got me thinking.

Some of us (I'm positive I'm not the only one) do live in places where going out the front door requires some forethought. Like the thread title says I live in a shady neighborhood, I've been hit up by panhandlers right out side my door, I've found needles in the parking lot and we do have the (very) occasional drive by as well as robberies and rapes in the neighborhood.

Here are a couple of things I've learned

Don't flaunt your valuables. I have neighbors that leave their cars unlocked to save on replacing window glass. I'm not that bad but I do not leave so much as a Wal Mart bag in my car over night and I make it easy to see that there's nothing in the car.

When we moved in here we moved the gun safe in early in the morning and put it in a closet. When we bought a new TV I took the box to work to throw it in the dumpster.

Mind. Your. Business. I've seen at least 4 deals happen right in front of me this week. I make a point of taking zero interest. I didn't see it, I didn't hear it it's not my business. I was walking the dog the other day I saw two guys start a fight just down the side walk in front of me. I have no need to involve myself in their drama, left turn walk away.

Pay attention to people and pay special attention to people that are paying attention to you. Around here if they're focused on you they're deciding if you're a mark. A couple of weeks back some meth head was walking through my parking lot, took one look at me and made a beeline right at me. About 10 feet away he starts the interview "Hey, what time is it?" My response "Sorry, can't help you." He flips out, "************ you can't tell me what apartments these are?!" (Note the two different questions?) at this point I put my hand on my gun and say "Can't help you man, you need to step." The guy knows I have gun and his response is " Yo dawg you best watch the **** out" before walking all the way around the building and heading back the way he came.

Pay attention to your surroundings. I find homeless people sleeping in the halls or the entries once a month or so. Before I open my door to go out I look through the peephole. I never open the door if I hear someone in the hall. Before I open the fire doors at the end of the hall I crack them and check the stairwell. I look at the parking lot from the top of the stairs. I reverse the process coming in. On a related note I never go to my car with my hands full and once I'm in the car I lock the doors before I do anything else (seatbelt, cell phone charger,anything )

People shoot meth behind our dumpsters ( someone dumped an ATM machine out there one night) I take the trash out in the middle of the day and I pay attention while I'm walking up there.

Last point (and I've said this before) if don't know you I don't open the door for you. When I lived in a "nice" neighborhood I'm convinced I stopped a home invasion just by not opening the door to some random stranger I'm not about to do it here

Best way to learn situational awareness is to live somewhere you have to use it daily.
 
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Smoke....
None of my bidness...
But..consider movin.

You know I love it when people tell me that. Do you think I live here by choice? Do you think it never occurred to me to move?

I live where I can afford to live and any place else I could afford would be in the same type of neighborhood
 
it's everyone's choice how they live their life. Yes he has a new TV, he didn't say if it was 19" or 72", I didn't assume it was a big one from his post, perhaps I'm wrong.

Either way the take away I took from his post was that he is very good at keeping himself safe because his current life demands it. That perhaps if we all had to live as he does perhaps we would learn the skills needed to survive it that we otherwise don't have....
 
My apology...
I guess The NRA member, US Vet, EMT,
Guns Safe, New TV, and valuable's (that you don't
flaunt) threw me off.

Valuables (that I don't flaunt) consists of anything a meth head could steal and sell.

I worked as a machinist for several years until the economy crashed and my job got sent to China. I rarely worked less than 60 hours a week and I made good money. When the economy tanked my possesions didn't lose their value.

I still have all of my tools worth several thousand dollars. I don't advertise them.

I don't advertise my gun ownership, I don't think my gun safe cost more than 200.00$ and there are only 6 guns in it but they'd still be a target so I don't have NRA stickers, I don't hang them on the wall.

On the more practical side they steal your phone and then look to see if it's an IPhone so it doesn't come out in public unless it's an emergency
 
That's tough. The small town near where I live has had a rash of thefts. Seems anyplace (vehicle or structure) that's unlocked gets gone through.
Drugs (Rx med abuse and meth) seems to be getting worse almost everywhere. Dope and thefts go hand in hand and it's almost everywhere you look. I know this is no consolation to you and the problems you mentioned. I don't have the answers but my observations over the years are that the so-called war on drugs and on poverty is that we're losing them. All the government attempts to ease poverty and drug use/abuse and it seems we have more illegal drug use and more on assistance than ever. Maybe time to change tactics as we can't keep locking people up, the prisons are full. And if that's not enough, toss in the mental health issues facing this country. Not to be all doom and gloom but who does have the answers? Surely not the most in-debt entity in history. Just my opinion.
 
Due to finances, and bad timing, I lived in a not-so-nice area with my then-wife and a newborn. Halloween was always an interesting holiday. I tried that once (picture Joe Piscopo in "Johnny Dangerously" here)!
 
Interesting. You enter a post about your current situation, knowing it's going to solicit different responses. Then you jump on anyone who doesn't agree with your choice of residence. I guess your increased SA is an example of making lemonade out of lemons. Facts are, we all took a hit in '08, but it was seven years ago. Jobs going off-shore are an unfortunate fact of life that affected many of us as well, we didn't all wind up living in the ghetto. Now before you flame me, your situation is your business. If you're OK with it, do what you have to. Personally, I'd rather live in the bed of my pickup.
 
I don't live in a bad area, not even remotely but I have spent a lot of time in the ghettos at all hours of the day/night in a previous job. We don't have a meth problem here. I'm sure as a state we do but it's nowhere near what other sections of the country has. Our ghettos are like any major city ghettos. Old dilapidated row homes, busted cars, guys selling drugs. Main drug of choice, not counting weed, is crack. We have crackheads. And we have whatever comes through Miami as it's a straight shot up I95 for 20 hours and you are in NYC. Kensington section of Philadelphia is the largest open air cocane market in the US.

What I learned working in the ghetto is that while my skin color does make me stand out ....hey its a fact I'm not picking on anyone..... if I dress and act like I belong no one bothers me. Nothing new or flashy. If you have an old jacket or sweater with holes that even better. Have to have a look of "I want to be left alone". If you're wearing a hoody have the hood up. If you look a little dirty that's fine too. Don't go trying to look like the natives too hard or they'll spot that. Just be the barely employed working stiff who doesn't look like he has much money if any. Someone who gets by. As you're walking around never look people directly in the eye cause that can be taken as a challenge, but never look away cause that shows fear. Just act like they don't exist. Like you're supposed to be there and you're just walking down the street. Know what colors mean what and don't wear them. Of course always be armed. I did that for a few years and never had much problem from the local thugs and gangbangers.
 
Society is in the big spiral down the crapper. It is not easy to pull up roots and move. You can live in a great location one day and a short time later, after the scum arrives, it is what Smoke is describing. His description of the blight resembles the city where I work. Was not like that a few years ago. I live in the abutting town and have begun to see the cancer spread this way. Got about 3 years until retirement and then I'm fleeing. Smoke, thanks for the report and stay safe.
 
Thanks !

Thanks for all the info.This guy may save you and your loved ones !
 

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I have a friend that is in a bad area of town, he can't afford to move either. A deputy friend of mine was in the same situation. He was on our SWAT team, and the pukes in the area knew it. No one ever messed with him. I have been in so many such neighborhoods over the years, there are good people that live there because that is all they can afford. I always tried my best to help them. I do my best not to judge people, but can't do well when dealing with pukes (criminals).
 
Different things work for different people. I used to live in a partially condemned crack house in the "drug corridor" of a midsized city. I had many excellent adventures.

My tips for such are to wear body armor and always carry a back up gun, sometimes more than one. Be able to reach it with your non dominant hand as people will try to grab your hand or arm.

I wore an expensive watch and nice clothes. Though right handed, I always wear my watch on my right wrist, not left. It throws people off and makes them think I am a lefty.

Mostly no one bothered me. While I believed in no snitching, my surrounding criminal neighbors all thought I had the mannerisms of someone "cold blooded" let us say.

I remember walking inside with an AK over my shoulder Elmer Fudd style, smoking a cigar and just giving a friendly wave to locals.

I miss it really.
 
Smoke, I feel for you as I lived in such an area after my first divorce and was paying off the debt from it. I did much the same as you except we had no CC law then and could only be armed while in my little house. I worked in bad areas too and no CC law then either and you do need to be especially careful then.
Now 30 years later I'm again going through a divorce and who knows where I'll be able to afford to live later? This time I'm disabled but do have a permit to carry and always do.
 
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