Rastoff's Challenge- Dropping the Gauntlet

Yeah, tried to do the single line smiley, but it ended up more as an open mouth :)

I shot it with cheap UltraMax 185gr LSWC reloads several years ago. I need to do another one; this one lived on the fridge for several years and the dogs tails beat it up pretty good!
 
Rastoff's Challenge

I went to the range today with a friend who's a retired LAPD Detective and current Chief of Police for the University of Michigan. On a whim I had him shoot the challenge using my Browning High Power. Embarrassed me with my own gun! :o

When I pulled the target in I should have stopped it further away from the shelf so the picture would be better. But you get the idea. Shots were "cold", before we did anything else.
 

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Always nice to know that the police can shoot.

I didn't know universities had their own police force.

I don't know if ALL universities do, but he held the same position at Arizona State University (Commander) before coming home to Michigan.
 
Okay, I cheated. I haven't passed the challenge in a while with any of my centerfire handguns, so I used my Volquartsen Scorpion. Got all 20 in a one hole 15/16" group. I seem to recall there was a special target for 22 target pistols somewhere earlier in the thread, but I can't find it. Not really an "entry" but I guess it's at least as relevant to the thread as some of the random targets at random distances that have been posted.

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Even with a "cheater" gun, that's good shooting shakyshoot.

The special .22LR target was just a joke. I was having with a few guys who were posting targets shot with their pistols similar to yours. However, if you really want to go for it, I've attached the target. If you can keep all your shots in the orange with this target, you're my hero.

EDIT: For some reason the background of the file looks all black on my computer, it's not. Just download the PDF and print it. Those are some really small orange centers though.
 

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Finally made it with the Shield 9mm on the 4th day of trying. Barely squeezed in that 7yd shot at 2 O'clock, but using a bullet as a gauge, there's some white between the hole and the line. Just under 1 3/4" group. (the 10 ring is 3" x 2", not the X.)

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WOW....How long does it take to read all 10 pages of this thread? However long it takes! Worth it!!! I have targets to post, but not sure how to do it... (neither of them are winners, but they are morth than Min of Bad Guy...

M&P 9mm Shield and the other is an M&P 45...Both targets shot at 16 @ 7 yds (closest they allow at this range) and 4 @ 10 yds...

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Well, I would take your challenge, but I reject the premise of needing DA for self defense. I can no more forget to ear a hammer back before I shoot than I could forget to breathe.
 
Well, I would take your challenge, but I reject the premise of needing DA for self defense.
Using a revolver in DA is faster. That doesn't negate being able to use it in single action. Neither does it negate using a SA revolver for self-defense. I never implied that anyone would forget to cock the hammer.

Even so, I'm not changing the parameters of this challenge. The idea is to use a gun you'd use for self-defense (i.e. carry) and use it in the manner you would on the street. If you tell me that you will always use your revolver by cocking the hammer first for self-defense, I'll believe you. If that is your normal method, then it meets the premise of this challenge.

No matter how you do it, doing it is better than not. Doing it with the gun you would carry and in the manner that gun will be used, will help you be better should you ever need it for real.
 
Using a revolver in DA is faster. That doesn't negate being able to use it in single action. Neither does it negate using a SA revolver for self-defense. I never implied that anyone would forget to cock the hammer.

Even so, I'm not changing the parameters of this challenge. The idea is to use a gun you'd use for self-defense (i.e. carry) and use it in the manner you would on the street. If you tell me that you will always use your revolver by cocking the hammer first for self-defense, I'll believe you. If that is your normal method, then it meets the premise of this challenge.

No matter how you do it, doing it is better than not. Doing it with the gun you would carry and in the manner that gun will be used, will help you be better should you ever need it for real.
I normally shoot ALL revolvers SA. Don't understand how you can hit the broad side of a barn DA, but that's neither here nor there. I will accept the challenge as soon as 1 it's warm out, and 2 I have 20 32-20 shells extra again.
 
Don't understand how you can hit the broad side of a barn DA,...
Proper technique and practice. In case you missed it earlier, here is my attempt at the challenge with revolver; shot DA:

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Not a perfect target, but I'm sure with work I could do it.

I've also earned Distinguished Graduate at Front Sight while using a revolver. All shots there were taken DA. It's really just a matter of knowing the proper technique, practice and trusting yourself. I'm sure you can do it too.
 
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I teach CCW (carry concealed weapon) classes. It is my goal in these classes to help people learn the law and to shoot better in defensive situations. The law in CA doesn't require a shooting component to get a CCW license. However, my local sheriff likes to see it included in the class. To qualify for the shooting portion, a student must shoot 20 shots. They must all be within the silhouette of a B-27E target like this one:
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This target is enormous at 2' wide by 3' tall.

The course of fire is:
  • 4 shots from 3 yards
  • 6 shots from 5 yards
  • 6 shots from 7 yards
  • 4 shots from 10 yards
All shots are fired with the shooters choice of grip and stance and start from the ready position (gun loaded, but not in holster). They are all untimed so, there is no need to hurry.

The goal here is to see that the students can handle their guns safely and at least get their bullets to go in the general direction of the target. I thought this would be a very easy test. After instructing many students, I can see that this is more difficult than I thought.

Because I thought it was easy, I had never actually shot the full course. I'm a huge believer that an instructor doesn't need to be the best, but should at least be able to do what he's asking the students to do. So, today I shot the test. Here is my result:
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Notice that all the shots are in the orange. There is actually a tiny bit of orange between the right line and the right most hole. So, none of my shots are even touching the line. (It was sunny, but the wind was blowing about 5-10MPH from my back.)

So, I challenge everyone here to run the same course of fire. There is a lot of talk about, "I shoot well enough to defend myself." OK, I'm calling you out. Run this course of fire and post your pics here. Can you keep all 20 shots in the orange? I don't think you can! That's right, I said it, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT!!!

Here are the rules:
  • Any target may be used. To say you did as well as I did, all your shots must be within a 2"x3" oval. That's the size of the B-27E bullseye. So, either use a B-27E (regular B-27 would be fine) or provide proof of the size of your group.
  • The gun must be a gun used for self/home-defense.
  • The gun must be used in the same fashion it would be used for defense. So, if it is a DA/SA, the first shot at each yardage must be shot DA first and then SA for the rest. If it's a revolver it must be shot DA for every shot.
  • The course of fire is as above.
  • All shots are untimed.

This is done on your honor. If you say you did it, I'll believe you, but you must post a picture of your target. Let's keep this in the spirit of the forum. While I'm sure you can use this gun to defend yourself...
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...it doesn't fit the spirit of the competition.

I used this one:
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Well there it is.

I know you can't beat me, but can you even come close? PROVE IT!!! (There might be a prize involved. ;) )

I have a dead stock (for now, I am awaiting an apex sear) shield. I will give it a fair and honest trial. I will not be shooting before I install the sear.
 
Outstanding!

Hmmm, maybe this is too easy? Or could it be that y'all are getting better? I'll take the second one.
Definitely not too easy. I could feel the stress level rising with each shot.
There were two RSO's watching and one of them guffawed when I explained the challenge to him.
I gave him a target and he tried it and put two into the orange and the rest were in a 6" or so group.
As he was bringing his target in he replied "damn, I've never been so humbled".
 
No, it is not too easy. I have over 500 (five hundred) rounds fired at this target and haven't cleaned it yet. I have come close.

Been a little cold around here lately and haven't tried in a month.

Maybe when the snow melts off so I can find my brass.
 

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