Volquartsen Ectractor

[rbpwrd240]

Saw this for the first time in another post. I have an older model 15-22 and I am always worried about blowing out the extractor with the stingers, velocitors and other high FPS ammo's. So far after hundreds of rounds I have never had a problem but for 18 bucks shipped this little do-dad seems like a great piece of insurance to have and Id rather do the work myself then have to ship the gun back to Smith and Wesson to get the new updated anti-turn extractor.

Anyone have any input on this doo-dad, doma-flop, thing-a-ma-jiggy?

Volquartsen Extractor
https://www.volquartsen.com/products/1208-exact-edge-extractor-for-sw-mp-15-22-

 

[sithlord]

No, but S&W shipped me an extractor for free.

Hard to beat free, IMHO.

 

[Mark15/22]

http://smith-wessonforum.com/138892614-post10.html

 

[rbpwrd240]

http://smith-wessonforum.com/138892614-post10.html

Yep, Saw that. It is my driving force to buy. That and a comment or two from another forum member. Mutt? something... Anyway they have great reviews on the rugger 10/22 but I dont have much to go with for the 15-22. Do you guys think it would help or hurt or not bother my slide fire setup?

Thanks,
Alex R.

 

[GhostMutt]

Yep, Saw that. It is my driving force to buy. That and a comment or two from another forum member. Mutt? something... Anyway they have great reviews on the rugger 10/22 but I dont have much to go with for the 15-22. Do you guys think it would help or hurt or not bother my slide fire setup?

Thanks,
Alex R.

Mutt....something, how very insulting

According to the write up, the dimensions are slightly different, which leads to a more positive cartridge extraction. The difference in spec is supposed to be minimal but the effect by all accounts very noticeable.
I am waiting for one to appear this side of the pond, cannot hurt to have a replacement to hand.

 

[Langster]

It seems like the Volquartsen Extractor is basically the only aftermarket internal component available for the 15-22 so I'm pretty excited about it. I'll probably order one up sometime soon.

I'm really surprised there isn't more aftermarket support for the 15-22 with its popularity such as barrels, bolts, etc...

 

[cjt50]

It seems like the Volquartsen Extractor is basically the only aftermarket internal component available for the 15-22 so I'm pretty excited about it. I'll probably order one up sometime soon.

I'm really surprised there isn't more aftermarket support for the 15-22 with its popularity such as barrels, bolts, etc...

I think the problem is S&W patents are still in effect and they get very aggressive when someone does something with them they don't like. I remember the magazine law suit and pro-mag had to stop making them.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Mutt....something, how very insulting

Mutt something has a nice ring to it.

The difference in spec is supposed to be minimal but the effect by all accounts very noticeable.

How can the effect be very noticeable, or even just noticeable, if one has no ejection issues? For it to be very noticeable, folks must be having extraction issues. I have none whatsoever but maybe it is due to my gun's setup & ammo choices. I've always thought the weak link with the 15-22 is more the ejector as opposed to the extractor. I wonder if some blame the extractor when maybe the cause could be the ejector?

So what are the symptoms of a bad extractor... besides the obvious with the casing still in the chamber?

 

[GhostMutt]

Mutt something has a nice ring to it.



How can the effect be very noticeable, or even just noticeable, if one has no ejection issues? For it to be very noticeable, folks must be having extraction issues. I have none whatsoever but maybe it is due to my gun's setup & ammo choices. I've always thought the weak link with the 15-22 is more the ejector as opposed to the extractor. I wonder if some blame the extractor when maybe the cause could be the ejector?

So what are the symptoms of a bad extractor... besides the obvious with the casing still in the chamber?

If i wanted to be known as MuttSomething, then that is what i would have chosen.

"How can the effect be very noticeable, or even just noticeable, if one has no ejection issues?" In the same way that the effect of my factory trigger caused me no issues but i certainly notice the difference now the tolerances have changed in the replacement trigger. My wife has that same argument when she buys coffee... that when i buy coffee i get nice coffee, when the Mrs buys coffee she gets cheap coffee...the difference to her is not noticeable, to me the difference is divorce worthy.

"For it to be very noticeable, folks must be having extraction issues." I actually only mentioned the Volquartsen extractor in relation to people who have had a blown out or lost extractor and that those who had used the replacement found that the gumpf about it appeared to be true. The changes in tolerance seem to give a more positive cartridge extraction, which may help with a more positive ejection. Until i get one, lose my factory one and replace it, then i cannot vouch for this myself. I thought that people were well aware of the difference and the problems that can occur with both the ejector and the extractor.

"So what are the symptoms of a bad extractor... besides the obvious with the casing still in the chamber?" Having had no issue to date with either, extraction or ejection i cannot provide an accurate answer to that, however Volquartsen must have changed something and must have changed it for the better, informed by a 15-22 user/s otherwise why would they bother adding an aftermarket part. For me the real reason for getting one is to have a replacement ready in my Hogue grip compartment. Now all i need is a replacement firing pin and a couple of springs and a plunger for the extractor and i'll be all set.

 

[Mark15/22]

Mutt something has a nice ring to it.



How can the effect be very noticeable, or even just noticeable, if one has no ejection issues? For it to be very noticeable, folks must be having extraction issues. I have none whatsoever but maybe it is due to my gun's setup & ammo choices. I've always thought the weak link with the 15-22 is more the ejector as opposed to the extractor. I wonder if some blame the extractor when maybe the cause could be the ejector?

So what are the symptoms of a bad extractor... besides the obvious with the casing still in the chamber?

I had no ejection issues with my 15-22, it is noticeable because you can simply See the ejected case flying further out to the right. It is simply noticeable.

My rifle ejected every case just fine before I upgraded it. It is only $18 so why not try it; was my thinking. If it is the same I have a spare, if it is worst then I am only out $18, if it is an improvement that is great for $18.

Without a doubt it is an improvement in my rifle. Ejecting further out is an improvement to me.

 

[rbpwrd240]

Dangermutt?
TempramentalMutt?
Politicalycorrectmutt?
Dont call me anything other then my name mutt?

All good to me.... LOL J/K

Yep it was your comment but take it with a grain of salt it is a compliment. I never remember anything about anyone else's name on here but I did know half of yours.....

 

[GhostMutt]

Dangermutt?
TempramentalMutt?
Politicalycorrectmutt?
Dont call me anything other then my name mutt?

All good to me.... LOL J/K

Yep it was your comment but take it with a grain of salt it is a compliment. I never remember anything about anyone else's name on here but I did know half of yours.....

The stick out tongue that accompanied the comment showed how serious i took it

'Danger Mutt'...not where firearms are concerned.
'Temperamental Mutt', Yes, but only when people spell temperamental incorrectly
'Politically Correct Mutt'...lol first time I've been called PC in a long time...that gave me a chuckle.
'Don't call me anything other than my name mutt', that is actually my Sunday name.

I guess i listen to too much Jim Croce, practicing 'I got a name' on my guitar has obviously got under my skin and given me a false sense of identity.

 

[tomcatt51]

So what are the symptoms of a bad extractor... besides the obvious with the casing still in the chamber?

The symptom is usually inconsistent ejection.

In a blow back action the extractor doesn't really extract. The case is blown back out of the chamber which pushes the bolt back. The extractor holds the case, so the ejector can launch it. The extractor creates a pivot point the case rotates around after being hit by the ejector. It controls the spent cases' trajectory.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

I had no ejection issues with my 15-22 it noticeable because you can simply See the ejected case flying further out to the right. It is simply noticeable.

My rifle ejected every case before just fine before I upgraded it. It is only $18 so why not tried was my thinking. If it is the same I have a spare, if it is worst I am only out $18, if it is an improvement that is great for $18.

Without a doubt it is an improvement in my rifle. Well ejecting further out is an improvement to me.

Everything you are talking about is ejecting. So what does that have to do with the extractor? Obviously, if a casing is not extracted, it can't be ejected, but I don't see how a new extractor can make a casing eject further out.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

In the same way that the effect of my factory trigger caused me no issues but i certainly notice the difference now the tolerances have changed in the replacement trigger. My wife has that same argument when she buys coffee... that when i buy coffee i get nice coffee, when the Mrs buys coffee she gets cheap coffee...the difference to her is not noticeable, to me the difference is divorce worthy.

Well there are quantitative, discernible differences between a stock trigger and a trigger upgrade... as there are between cheap coffee & nice coffee. Seems to me, an extractor has one chore. It either works or it doesn't. I don't understand upgrading an extractor when the stock one works fine and there is no issue... especially so on a plinker as opposed to a duty rifle.

Keep in mind, I've upgraded many parts on my 15-22s and other guns. Sometimes I do so for an increase in functionality or for looks. IMO, changing out a fully functional extractor just because there is an upgrade would be like me pulling a cylinder out of my truck's engine. If that cylinder were ever to go bad, of course I'd change it out but until then, if it is doing its job... I'll leave it be.

Not trying to be difficult but simply trying to understand the logic here. Sure don't want to miss out on another upgrade.

 

[GhostMutt]

Not trying to be difficult but simply trying to understand the logic here. Sure don't want to miss out on another upgrade.

The way i see it is that it is difficult enough to get parts here in the UK and let's say mid competition, my extractor blows and gets lost...game over! Oh no wait...look here in my bag is a replacement....game on!

I am sure that both Volquartsen see the sense in altering the angles and material in order to make a product that is different to the original extractor providing better purchase on the casing to give it a more positive angle to make ejection of said casing more (for want of a better word) 'positive' and I am certain that S&W lawyers would be very interested if it wasn't different.

I say good on Volquartsen for including the 15-22 in its quality product line. The more companies that include the 15-22 in its product line the better in my opinion.

 

[Mark15/22]

Everything you are talking about is ejecting. So what does that have to do with the extractor? Obviously, if a casing is not extracted, it can't be ejected, but I don't see how a new extractor can make a casing eject further out.

Well sir I am no gun designer, but what I can tell you it made a difference. I couldn't start explain something I didn't design, I simply spent a small amount of money for a part that was listed to be an improvement over the stock part by a very reputable company.

"The geometry has been changed to provide positive ejection every time."

That was a quote from the company. So that says to me that with the small new design changes it helps with ejections in conjunction with the ejector to give better results. So maybe with it holding the casing tighter it helps the ejector push and/or strike the casing more exact each time, I don't know, but what I do know is real world testing and comparing the stock part to aftermarket part. The aftermarket part helps somehow to eject the casing a bit further out to the right.

Before they came out to the right and slightly upward and backward, guess that is why the case deflector is there. Now they go slightly upward and straight out to the right, No backward motion.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Thanks for the input. Maybe someone on the board can explain the physics of it all. I'm a printer & sure no expert on guns, but my understanding is the extractor on a 15-22 does nothing more than hook on the the casing, to allow the bolt to carry it rearward until it meets the ejector... which kicks it out the breech. I don't understand how that makes a more positive ejection, other than of course providing a more positive extraction (for those having extraction issues).

 

[tomcatt51]

Maybe someone on the board can explain the physics of it all.

I'll try. Also see post #13.

my understanding is the extractor on a 15-22 does nothing more than hook on the the casing, to allow the bolt to carry it rearward until it meets the ejector... which kicks it out the breech. I don't understand how that makes a more positive ejection, other than of course providing a more positive extraction (for those having extraction issues).

First, the extractor doesn't "allow the bolt to carry it (the case) rearward until it meets the ejector". This occurs even without an extractor installed. The extractor does come into play when the ejector contacts the case, creating a pivot point the case rotates around when the ejector hits the "other side" of the case rim.

The case, being blown out of the chamber, pushes the bolt back. This is why it's called a blow back action.

A "better" extractor can improve ejection by better controlling the case (better, more consistent, grip of the rim) so the ejector can more consistently launch it out the port.

Guns that cycle and eject well I tend to leave alone. My 15-22s cycle and eject well and I've left the bolt assys all original but I do have 2 VQ extractors sitting here as "spares". If I need to replace an extractor I'll use the VQ part.

FWIW, many of our 22LRs still run with a broken or missing extractor. They just don't eject well, frequently just dribbling the cases out the port or jamming because the case doesn't make it out the port. But, the cases do blow themselves out of the chamber and do push the bolt back with no extractor.

Hope this helps.

 

[Skee907]

Blew out my extractor last week.
I was having FTE problems, bolt catching the round on the way out, pinching it. Would have to clear the rifle, and start again. Eventually that caused an OOB, blowing out the extractor.

Ordered this replacement and it should be delivered today. Planning on going to the range tonight so I will let you all know how it goes.