Cowboy stars of the fourties and fifties. Your old if you know these?

[Bill_in_fl]

Wild Bill Elliott: "I am a peaceful man, BUT-----" (2 Colt Army Model 45s 7.5" barrels worn butts forward)

Yes butt forward. Just like Hickock wore his (and I wear and draw my .44 1860 Pietta Colt's). Only Hickock's were percussion 1851 .36 cal Colt Navy's.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jON9LwXTHzs"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jON9LwXTHzs[/ame]




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[OLDSTER]

Yikes !! Now I know I'm old

 

[PPCSHOOTER]

I NEVER SAW ANY OF THESE AT THE MOVIES. BUT SUNDAY MORNING ON THE LOCAL TV (WGN THE FIRST SUPER STATION) WAS THE CISCO KID. MY FAVORITE OLD COWBOY TV SHOW. IT CAME ON AT ABOUT 8AM RIGHT AFTER FLASH GORDON. MY DAD AND I WOULD SIT AND WATCH IT BEFORE CHURCH. GREAT MEMORIES. JP

 

[cowart]

I never liked Roy Rogers, and I just remembered why. He dressed like Howdy Doody.

Nope - Howdy Doody dressed like Roy Rogers, not the other way around. Howdy Doody was a TV show that ran from December 27, 1947 until September 24, 1960.

Roy Rogers' mode of stage dress dates back to movies of the 1940s and the 1930s. Roy Rogers (at the microphone) singing with the Sons Of The Pioneers in Roy's movie "Idaho," 1943. From left to right, are: Hugh Farr, Tim Spencer, Bob Nolan, Roy Rogers (at the microphone), Lloyd Perryman, Karl Farr, and Pat Brady on the bass.

 

[Bill_in_fl]

Nope - Howdy Doody dressed like Roy Rogers, not the other way around. Howdy Doody was a TV show that ran from December 27, 1947 until September 24, 1960.

Roy Rogers' mode of stage dress dates back to movies of the 1940s and the 1930s. Roy Rogers (at the microphone) singing with the Sons Of The Pioneers in Roy's movie "Idaho," 1943. From left to right, are: Hugh Farr, Tim Spencer, Bob Nolan, Roy Rogers (at the microphone), Lloyd Perryman, Karl Farr, and Pat Brady on the bass.

Exactly correct. And again, notice that Roy Rogers always wore his trousers inside his boots rather than his trousers over his boots like everyone else in the picture. It set him apart from everyone else. I personally always liked that since if the boots have nice designs on them, then why hide them with trousers over them. I have often wondered if Roy had it in his contract that only he could wear his trousers inside his boots and everyone else in the Son's Of The Pioneers or in his movies had to wear their trousers over their boots. Also it would be great for Roy getting paid endorsements from boot companies. As a little kid between the ages of 5 to 7, I always asked for what I called "Roy Rogers boots". No doubt there were millions of kids like me thinking and asking for the same thing. That amounts to a lot of money for Roy endorsing boots. So not only a good fashion statement by Roy, but a great financial one for him too.


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[cowart]

it would be great for Roy getting paid endorsements from boot companies.

I found considerable discussion on the boot topic in the customcowboybootsandshoesforum.com and
Roy Rogers boots | Boots | Pinterest | Boots areas.

 

[jimmyj]

Hi, Bill- In -Fl:
Might fancy and awesome six gun spinning.
After viewing your video, I am getting out of town and it an't anywhere close to noon or sundown.

 

[Bill_in_fl]

Hi, Bill- In -Fl:
Might fancy and awesome six gun spinning.
After viewing your video, I am getting out of town and it an't anywhere close to noon or sundown.

Lol, glad you liked it Jimmyj. After your post, suddenly in my mind I hear the voice of Tex Ritter singing "High Noon" .

Here's two of my all time favorite 1950's western gunfight scenes in the order of my preference.

1. Gary Cooper and Burt Lancaster in "Vera Cruz" 1954. (But in reality I don't think Cooper would have won that fight. Him being much older than Lancaster who not only was physically stronger in his arms and hands and would probably have had a faster reaction time and also because Lancaster drew first, but hey....that's Hollywood). I liked the way Lancaster smiled and expertly twirled his gun back into his holster after he had fired and just before he fell. I've often wondered if Todd Redwing instructed him on that (first forward twice, then backward thrice) twirl, and how many takes it took for Lancaster to twirl it into the holster correctly. It takes quite a bit of practice....(I know).

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nclYeAxC7D4"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nclYeAxC7D4[/ame]

2. Alan Ladd and Jack Palance in "Shane" 1953. Alan Ladd also used the first forward twice then backwards thrice, spin into his holster as Lancaster used a year later in "Vera Cruz". Since "Shane" pre-dated "Vera Cruz", Lancaster copied Shane's spin exactly. Only thing is, we SAW Lancaster's face and entire body when he did his spin, so we KNOW Lancaster did that spin himself, whereas with Alan Ladd, we could not see his face when he did the same spin and it may have been "doubled" by someone else. Also, pause the video just as Alan Ladd fires. Notice his eyes were closed both times that he shot Jack Palance. Grin.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1l3TboL5MI"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1l3TboL5MI[/ame]

Later Edit: Two screen shots of Alan Ladd having his eyes closed for each of the two times he shot Jack Palance.

First shot

Second shot.

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[jimmyj]

Hi:
In your video, what is the weapon you have in a shoulder holster ?

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Roy with his pants inside his boots may be following the old Texas Rule-
You are only allowed to wear your pants inside your boots if you own livestock.
Otherwise, you get dunked in the watering trough.

 

[Bill_in_fl]

Hi:
In your video, what is the weapon you have in a shoulder holster ?

It's my Uberti 1858 Remington with a .45 Colt cartridge fluted conversion cylinder.

Next two below pics after restoration.

It's not nickel nor stainless, but carbon steel and it's "in the white" (bare metal finish), after filing pits, sanding and I highly buffed/polished it (and keep it waxed) to restore it from the way it was pitted and abused with some kind of acid etching before I got it (next two pics below).

Worst pitting was on left forward top strap (filed and sanded it all out). Most of the rest was not deep acid etching most likely by "Bubba" to remove original bluing. Had to use a sanding block and be very careful when buffing to not round out the flats on the barrel.

After filing pits out, sanding overall to remove acid etching and first initial buffing (lots more buffing afterwards to make it look like it does today in first two above photos).

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[cowart]

I liked the way Lancaster smiled and expertly twirled his gun back into his holster after he had fired and just before he fell. I've often wondered if Todd Redwing instructed him on that (first forward twice, then backward thrice) twirl, and how many takes it took for Lancaster to twirl it into the holster correctly.

1954 was in the heyday of the popularity of fast-draw amongst the Hollywood actors. Lancaster probably had been practicing it a *lot* before he got that part.

Many people believe that Sammy Davis Jr. was one of the best actors at fast-draw. He was a *lot* faster than Lancaster. Here is some (poor quality) video from that time:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6aNzFYHyz8[/ame]

 

[Bill_in_fl]

1954 was in the heyday of the popularity of fast-draw amongst the Hollywood actors. Lancaster probably had been practicing it a *lot* before he got that part.

Many people believe that Sammy Davis Jr. was one of the best actors at fast-draw. He was a *lot* faster than Lancaster. Here is some (poor quality) video from that time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6aNzFYHyz8

I've seen that video before. Davis was good....very good, no doubt about that. Maybe one of the very best who ever was. I first heard about him doing fast draw when I read his book "Black Like Me". Then years later saw that vid you posted. No doubt Davis being a talented dancer/tap dancer added to his timing and timing is very important in fast draw and twirling.


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[jimmyj]

It's my Uberti 1858 Remington with a .45 Colt cartridge fluted conversion cylinder.

Next two below pics after restoration.

It's not nickel nor stainless, but carbon steel and it's "in the white" (bare metal finish), after filing pits, sanding and I highly buffed/polished it (and keep it waxed) to restore it from the way it was pitted and abused with some kind of acid etching before I got it (next two pics below).

Worst pitting was on left forward top strap (filed and sanded it all out). Most of the rest was not deep acid etching most likely by "Bubba" to remove original bluing. Had to use a sanding block and be very careful when buffing to not round out the flats on the barrel.

After filing pits out, sanding overall to remove acid etching and first initial buffing (lots more buffing afterwards to make it look like it does today in first two above photos).

Hi:
Your Remington Model 1858 appears to be cut down from the original model grip and barrel ?

 

[Bill_in_fl]

Hi:
Your Remington Model 1858 appears to be cut down from the original model grip and barrel ?

No Jimmyj, that's how it came originally from the Uberti factory except for the added on fluted conversion cylinder. Still available that way from Uberti.

(02-23-2016 later Edit after checking Uberti's website.)

From the models on their website, it appears Uberti is no longer offering their .44 cal, 1858 Remington with the shorter barrel like mine anymore. The only ones on their website now, are 8 inch barrel ones. See this link.....1858 New Army Revolver and 1858 Target Carbine Revolver | Uberti).


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[the ringo kid]

Yes butt forward. Just like Hickock wore his (and I wear and draw my .44 1860 Pietta Colt's). Only Hickock's were percussion 1851 .36 cal Colt Navy's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jON9LwXTHzs




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If Bill been born 100 years ago? He could've taught William S. Hart, a thing or two.

 

[the ringo kid]

BTW Bill, if you can find the posting here? A couple years ago, I posted pics of original Vera Cruz lobby cards I had just bought. That movie is also a favorite of mine as well. The one missing is card nr 7. Anyway, check them out if you find the thread? The title card is the best card of the set, also the rarest. It shows Burt and Gary squaring off. Artwork no photo. I've been thinking of having the image on a T-shirt.

 

[Bill_in_fl]

If Bill been born 100 years ago? He could've taught John S. Hart, a thing or two.

Ringo, John S. Hart was a constitutional scholar. Do you mean William S. Hart the early silent movies cowboy?

Or do you mean John Wesley Hardin? The gunfighter who wore a shoulder holster that was made for him by El Paso saddlery in 1895 as shown at this link.....El Paso Saddlery - 1895 "Hardin" - Shoulder Rig






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[Bill_in_fl]

BTW Bill, if you can find the posting here? A couple years ago, I posted pics of original Vera Cruz lobby cards I had just bought. That movie is also a favorite of mine as well. The one missing is card nr 7. Anyway, check them out if you find the thread? The title card is the best card of the set, also the rarest. It shows Burt and Gary squaring off. Artwork no photo. I've been thinking of having the image on a T-shirt.

After doing a lounge forum "Vera Cruz" search, do you mean from this thread Ringo? http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/333989-7th-cavalry.html?highlight=Vera+Cruz#post137419015

Unfortunately the pics from your post #13 regarding Vera Cruz in that thread aren't showing up anymore Ringo. In fact all the pics from your posts of #13 through post #19 in that thread don't show up anymore.


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[the ringo kid]

Ringo, John S. Hart was a constitutional scholar. Do you mean William S. Hart the early silent movies cowboy?

Or do you mean John Wesley Hardin? The gunfighter who wore a shoulder holster that was made for him by El Paso saddlery in 1895 as shown at this link.....El Paso Saddlery - 1895 "Hardin" - Shoulder Rig






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Oops, quite correct. I thought it was either William or John, and went with the shorter. Anywasy, your video instantly reminded me of him. There is a famed sequence of him, I forget which silent movie? all dressed in black, steely-eyed and pulling and aiming both pistols.