Smith M/P line losing to Sig or Glock

Just read an article in the Motley Fool titled "the 5 best selling pistols of 2015". These were civilian sales, but S&W had two in the top 5. Glock wasn't mentioned. Also, in the same article, the Shield exceeded 1M total units sold last year.

Pretty good numbers.

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Although M&P feels good in the hand and the recoil is a little better, I've had misfires with all 3 that I own. It's not unheard of, but it is very seldom to have misfires with glock. They're on the same level as sig and HK as far as reliability is goes.

It's also not unheard that the ammo is to blame.
 
Seems like the M/P was on fire for a while then some how lost the ball I like M/P have L/E Mp 9 night sights M/P 45 mid size with night sights , Shield 9mm all are flawless no problems ever . but alot of my reading tells me that most L/E are keeping their Glock blood line and going Gen 4 9mm or Sig 320 is going strong . . What happened they had their chance and just left it go it seems . How could their sales fumbled this ???????????????????????

Glock throws insane deals at agencies looking to trade. Very hard to justify anything other than low bid when for all practical purposes, the pistols are equivalent . . .
 
Glock throws insane deals at agencies looking to trade. Very hard to justify anything other than low bid when for all practical purposes, the pistols are equivalent . . .

Yup. I know that is part of what did if for my department when they moved from the S&W 5906/3906 to the Glock 22 in 2000. The gun was almost free (traded the S&W's to the distributor) and the department just had to purchase the holsters and magazine pouches. Not sure when S&W introduced an equivalent 40 caliber but Glock was the "in" thing at the time for the administrators making the decisions.

And more recently, the department went with the Gen 4 Glock 22 to replace the older ones. No need to train armorers again, same holsters and related equipment along with no new officer training. I imagine it was a very good deal for the new Glocks but I was gone when that happened so I don't know.

But the other city of size in my county has had M&P's. They had the full size .40 calibers and went back to the full sized 9mm's at the end of last year.

I suspect most departments that went M&P will stay M&P for the same reason my old department stayed with Glock. Changing brands involves more than just changing the gun and times are tight.
 
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Then there was this:

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By the way, when my department went to glocks we got to buy our service model 66 no dashs for what Glock was offering in trade. I bought both my 2 1/2 and 4 inch and kept them both. Then when I retired, they presented me with my issue Glock 23. I still have it, and qualify with it every year. I've been retired so long, I just noticed that the tritium night sights are dead. I'll have to get new ones put in. Only shoot it at qual times though, I have too many much more charming handguns to shoot!!!
 
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I'm a big Glock fan for sure. However, I have to admit that my love for S&W has tied with Glock over the last 6 months. It all started when I purchased a new PC M&P 40 CORE with the 5" ported stainless barrel. What a shooter and the Apex trigger is second to none, smooth as silk.
 
S&W seams to be doing very well. The Shield is a huge success. The M&P full size are the gun of choice for many LE agencies. The M&P compacts are very popular for civilian conceal carry, and many experts think they are the perfect CC gun. The S&W M&P Sport 15 has been a huge success as well. Not really sure where the OP is getting his facts from.
 
Well I just picked up another full size M/P 9 L/E gun new SKU 151215 3 mags ,night sights build date 9/6/14 I would think being L/E would have all updates .that makes 2 M/P 9 other on sku 309701 N/S 3 mags I cant stop all the one on the way has PVD finish like flat black . I see more Glocks back East
 
Glock has done a far superior marketing job, particularly to the casual shooter. Great branding. IMHO. My non gun friends all know what a Glock is, S&W M&P?

I've seen huge discounts on new M&Ps. Not on new Glocks.
 
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Seems like the M/P was on fire for a while then some how lost the ball I like M/P have L/E Mp 9 night sights M/P 45 mid size with night sights , Shield 9mm all are flawless no problems ever . but alot of my reading tells me that most L/E are keeping their Glock blood line and going Gen 4 9mm or Sig 320 is going strong . . What happened they had their chance and just left it go it seems . How could their sales fumbled this ???????????????????????

M&P is doing fine in my house.
 
glock spends 10x more than any other gun company on advertising.
glock damn near gives them away to any pd that will take them. Guns, parts, and support.

they have created this whole aura of "perfection" and the fact is they are no better than any other reputable gun manufacturer. The M&P, XD, and even the SR series are just as reliable and accurate.

It all boils down to one thing. $$$$$$$. Glock figured out a long time ago that if you see a cop carrying a glock you know it must be good. Except for the fact that most cops rarely shoot their weapon and half of them couldnt tell you anything about them other than "thats what we were issued".
 
The Glock design is wonderfully and purposely suited to "fleet" sales and their marketing strategy has effectively capitalized upon this.

I don't believe anyone will soon bump Glock out of first place in the law enforcement/military sector. But 2nd place is a valuable and profitable business position in that market.
 
Whats up with the M/P L/E guns with PVD finish ,3 mags and night sights , gun shops cant order them they dont have access to SKU 151215 in 9 or SKU 151213 in 40 . What and who is getting them ??????????
 
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The M&P?

Both Flint City, going with the full size M&P 45 and Detroit City have gone with the Smith & Wesson M&P.
As for the triggers, I teach firearms and tactics at the Flint Police Academy, am also the retired Director, the Flint officers going through the Academy with the M&P 45's have had no problems what so ever, both male and female.
I have an M&P 45, full size with the thumb safety and have no problem with the trigger. I carried a cocked and locked Colt Government Model and later a Commander, both in 45 for 26 years on my old department, from which I retired. Carried a Colt in the military for three years prior to that. The M&P trigger is fine, just shoot it and it will smooth out.
Most people buying all the after market triggers and other gizmos that are sold don't need a match grade trigger for their purpose. This is not a target pistol but a combat pistol.
I carried a Glock 23 for the last 13 years as an officer in Flint, it was ok but I think the M&P is a better pistol.
I am a Glock, Sig, S&W, Colt and Remington Armorer, with 46 years on the job and a police firearms instructor since 1975. Have also been shooting in various handgun competitions with various revolvers and pistols since 1965, so I have some small amount of experience. I know, that and a buck sixty-five will get you a cup of coffee at Mickey D's!
Just trying to add some insight.
Spend the money for ammo for more practice and less on gizmos. Sigs are expensive, need he trigger return spring replaced every 5000 rounds. Glocks recoil spring needs replacement every 5000 rounds also, priced equal with the M&P, but has been around longer, that's why all the agencies are going with it. And I have seen both Glocks and Sigs with what may be called a crappy trigger, but they are combat guns not match pistols.
Also like the other gentlemen stated the change over on firearms for an agency is expensive, especially when the leather is added.
And with that, long live the Model 10 M&P 38!
 
When I started with my Dept in 2009, I was issued a Beretta 92G. We then transitioned to M&P40. I was happy with mine, but the Dept had issues to the point where all officers were given replacement "improved" M&P40. The "improved" M&Ps had more problems and resulted in all officer getting replacement "old" M&Ps. I don't know the specific malfunctions or breakages. I know I carried three different M&P40s, and I personally had no problems. We are now replacing them with Glock 17 Gen4. They have all worked well for me.
 
I won't carry a gun with a Glock/XD/M&P type trigger, but if I did it would be a M&P. IMO the ergonomics of the Smith trump Glock by leaps and bounds.
 

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