Barbarian-CBX
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I have a 32 Hand Ejector first model in nickel. It's missing the knob on the end of the extractor. Is there a source for replacement parts for this model? I've already tried Numrich. Thanks.
32 HE 1st Model Parts Source
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I have a 32 Hand Ejector first model in nickel. It's missing the knob on the end of the extractor. Is there a source for replacement parts for this model? I've already tried Numrich. Thanks.
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There are just no parts for sale at any gun-parts company that I know of, plus you are looking for the most sought after part for the Model 1896 HE. Often, that part would work loose and simply fall off without notice and many for sale today has a crudely fashioned replacement. I have seen parts for sale on ebay from time to time. I picked up a cylinder assembly a few months ago, since I needed an ejector star, and of course the ejector pin had no knob.
Your best bet is to find a machinist to have one manufactured. That would, of course, require you to buy another Model 1896. Since we are always looking for reasons to buy more S&Ws, this is as good a reason as any.
Your best bet is to find a machinist to have one manufactured. That would, of course, require you to buy another Model 1896. Since we are always looking for reasons to buy more S&Ws, this is as good a reason as any.
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Barbarian-CBX
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Oh well. I was afraid of that. Thanks, Mark
hardcase60
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You might try Jack First Gunshop. Google for the website. They don't do online orders so you have to call. They do have a catalog that can be ordered, but it's not a requirement. I personally have never used them however the occasional reviews/comments are always positive. hardcase60
Mark,
Welcome aboard this forum!
These missing knobs are also common on the K38 M&P 1st Models. So much so that at least one member had them reproduced for sale IIRC; "mikepriwer".
The 38 knob looks similar in next two photos, but not the same.
Shown here:
Photo by H Richard
Photo by FatChance
I'm also sending you a private message with a list of early S&W parts sources; a few of which reproduce parts.
Don't give up,
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DWalt
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I don't know what the thread size is (probably something proprietary to S&W) but if that were known, anyone with a lathe and some skill in using it could turn out a reasonably close facsimile of the knob using a picture of one to go by. I did that once with one of my early Colts with a missing knob. I found a metric thread that was fairly close to what Colt used (but a little sloppy), and some Loctite kept it in place (I have lots of metric and English taps and dies of all sizes). It wouldn't fool anyone who knows what the real thing looks like, but not many do.
At least Barbarian has the threaded tip (male end) to determine the thread pitch. In the worst case he could have the threaded tip turned off, drill and tap the extractor rod for a common thread and have a knob made with a stud on it threaded to match.
Thread pitch is immaterial to the discussion. The two knobs are different in shape and attachment. Onw cannot be made to fit the other. The Mode 1896 is held in place by a small screw into the rod, while a Model 1899 is threaded and has no screw in the head of the knob. The knurling is much smaller on the 1899 as well that knob being quite a bit longer and a different shape.
We all hope you are able to get the part you need, but it is not as easy as some might suggest. You could have a money making opportunity by having a machinist manufacture a few dozen knobs and sell them on ebay. You would get your investment back quickly with all those who need such a part.
We all hope you are able to get the part you need, but it is not as easy as some might suggest. You could have a money making opportunity by having a machinist manufacture a few dozen knobs and sell them on ebay. You would get your investment back quickly with all those who need such a part.
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Gary, thanks for clearing that point up. Folks that have never stood in front of a 4' Lathe all ways assume the part makes itself.
Gary,
Great informative photo, thanks. Based on that, you're right, having correct knobs machined is the way to go if an original knob and screw can't be found.
Hmmm, 'always' is kind of a strong statement, maybe true with some. But for sure, those that have, never "assume the part makes itself."
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Barbarian-CBX
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Uh THREADED END! Dang! Mine doesn't have threads. After a closer look, I think think the end of the rod is broken off. Add that to my list of needed parts.
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Barbarian-CBX
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Back on this again. Is the end supposed to be threaded, or does the knob have some type of set screw?
Go to post #9 in this thread for a photo of the attachment screw and knob for the 1896.
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Gary,
Today I spoke with the proprietor of Simmons Custom Services. They specialize in making old gun screws of all types. I bought some for a Winchester. They are excellent quality, blued, and worked perfectly.
They'd be happy to make reproduction 1896 extractor knobs and screws. They'll be a lot cheaper made in volume which he'll do and stock them.
All I need is dimensions to send him. I don't own an 1896.
Would you be willing to share the dimensions and thread count? And I'll take care of the rest.
Thx,
S&WsRsweet
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Welcome to the S&W forum you now understand why I say these guys are amazing .Please keep us informed of your progress as it will help us newer folks especially finding deals if we know we have a source for any missing parts as a accumulater/ shooter I don't really go for the collector grade or investment grade guns but I have passed on a couple of examples because of missing or broken parts.Thanks for posting and thanks to the experts for very informative and interesting posts also.
Skeetr57
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Can't believe that Hondo, the Guru of all things I frame doesn't have an example of the first I frame S&W!
LOL. Well, it would be no fun anymore if I had everything I wanted! It's the fun of the hunt and anticipation as much as the owning.
Well we seem to be progressing. I will have an example soon to get measurements from along with photos to send to the supplier for production.
