California governor signs stringent gun bills, vetoes others.

[Watchdog]

I'll keep this brief. Quoting briefly from an AP story:

"Gov. Jerry Brown signed six stringent gun-control measures Friday that will require people to turn in high-capacity magazines and mandate background checks for ammunition sales, as California Democrats seek to strengthen gun laws that are already among the strictest in the nation."

You may read the rest of it here.

 

[Muddyboot]

Be interesting to see how many hi-cap magazines are turned in, anyone care to guess?

 

[Old TexMex]

Maybe they'll all go to Tijuana and Mexicali.

 

[Sconnie]

I would think all of the towns near the Nevada and Arizona borders with California would be growing like crazy. Move to a free state and work behind the iron curtain assuming the pay is worth the trek.

 

[retiredbadge8091]

Might I suggest California's gun owners join the NRA in mass and be very vocal during this election cycle. Is it still legal for these gun owners to sell the soon to be illegal magazines to out of state buyers?

 

[TTSH]

My prediction?

It's going to get really interesting out there.

 

[HeyJoe]

dont get too comfortable or too over confident there in Georgia, it may be coming your way sooner than you think

 

[BC38]

What is hilarious is that he refused to sign a bill that required people to report lost or stolen firearms because "I continue to believe that responsible people report the loss or theft of a firearm and irresponsible people do not; it is not likely that this bill would change that".

His logic is unassailable on this point - but for some reason he doesn't seem to realize that the same is true of ALL of the gun laws he signed OR vetoed.

Hey Governor Brown you got it partially right - criminals aren't going to obey your laws anyway - that's what defines them as criminals.

 

[coltle6920]

From the article...

Brown's action will require people who own magazines that hold more than 10 rounds to give them up. It extends a 1999 law that made it illegal to buy a high-capacity magazine or to bring one into the state but allowed people who already owned them to keep them.

So which is it??? Typical doublespeak!

 

[Sconnie]

From the article...So which is it??? Typical doublespeak!

Seems like they are saying the law that bars people from bringing in higher capacity mags are still barred. Sellers still cannot sell them AND new, if you have one you have to turn them in. I wonder what they will set the penalty as. I suspect felony so if you are caught you no longer have the ability to own any firearm. But we shall see won't we.

 

[Lew Archer]

These same bills were first proposed after the Sandy Hook shooting. Brown vetoed most of them, surprising everyone. After the San Bernardino attack, the bills were brought back. Orlando only fueled the legislative fire.

The magazine ban is toothless. Mere possession is an infraction. The fine cannot exceed $100 on a first offense, $250 on a second offense and $500 on a third. I can't imagine enforcement will be vigorous.

Oddly, the new laws call for owners of "bullet button" rifles to register them as assault rifles. If they're "assault rifles", lawfully owned and registered, is there a prohibition against the owner removing the housing on the mag release so they're just like other "assault rifles"? Last time around, this question was discussed in gun shops across the state. It seems to be a possible consequence the legislature didn't anticipate...

After Sandy Hook, those bullet button equipped rifles flew off the shelves. It would be ironic if the new law enabled thousands of owners to remove the bullet button feature (the purpose of which was to avoid fitting the CA definition of "assault rifle").





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[s&wbest]

Picked up 4 10rnd mags for my G20 in case this spreads to my state.

 

[Inusuit]

I've scanned the laws and see no provision for the state to reimburse those who turn in magazines. So seizure of private property without compensation? Seems NRA should challenge this in court if that's the case.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

A database of ammo purchasers... wonder what further government abuses that will inspire.

 

[TeaDub]

I have always been truly impressed with how tenacious the second Amendment supporters have fought in CA.

California may have finally tipped to the point of no return. The Legislature has picked up speed in new, onerous gun laws that will take years/decades to fight in court. Courts that lean left at both the state and federal level.

None of us should dismiss this as confined to CA. Given half a chance, this will be tried in any state. I can easily see it at the federal level as well.

 

[Ron M.]

The way this state is going (background checks to buy ammo) I wonder when the EPA will step in and ban the sale of Hoppe's #9 as a carcinogen...or causing global warming...wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

[Muddyboot]

A database of ammo purchasers... wonder what further government abuses that will inspire.

One can only imagine.

 

[10ring]

I have always been truly impressed with how tenacious the second Amendment supporters have fought in CA.

California may have finally tipped to the point of no return. The Legislature has picked up speed in new, onerous gun laws that will take years/decades to fight in court. Courts that lean left at both the state and federal level.

None of us should dismiss this as confined to CA. Given half a chance, this will be tried in any state. I can easily see it at the federal level as well.

Couldn't agree more. It is easy to dismiss this as California problem, but I can guarantee you that every time laws like this get passed anywhere, anti-gun legislators and others around the country look at them like a junkie looks at a freshly cooked spoon of china white.

Some of us feel good because we may live in states with better or even very good gun laws, but this is a very dangerous election year and we may be about to face a less favorable Supreme Court than we have had in years.

California is a lost cause I guess, but we need to learn from it and remain vigilant.

 

[fordson]

So, are we at a tipping point for state and national grassroots action, separate from any NRA effort?
With the media on the side of liberal politicians and thier policies, and only negative coverage of the NRA and gun owners, any thoughts on how we can stabilize this growing bad press and how we can gain some ground?

Other states may be only one election cycle away from going Red to Blue.

 

[coltle6920]

Any word from the sheriffs/LEOs in CA as far as their opinion on these laws?In Colorado they called our new laws unenforceable as well as not making a darn difference.

I doubt that trying to take away hi-capacity mags that were legally grandfathered in will hold up in court...Even in CA.