General question about decocking....

[Kronos]

I don't even know how to begin to respond to this . . .

I tend to NOT follow the rules of being considered "normal" or civilized.

I also just deal with matters and that can occasionally mean I do some weird things.

That's how I got a bullet hole in my front door,two of my tom cats were being violent little butt holes and no amount of yelling or trying to pry them apart with a broom was working....so I unholsted the pistol and fired a shot through the front door.

They STOPPED right NOW

 

[Rule3]

I tend to NOT follow the rules of being considered "normal" or civilized.

I also just deal with matters and that can occasionally mean I do some weird things.

That's how I got a bullet hole in my front door,two of my tom cats were being violent little butt holes and no amount of yelling or trying to pry them apart with a broom was working....so I unholsted the pistol and fired a shot through the front door.

They STOPPED right NOW

Seek out Professional help!

 

[Rastoff]

If the muzzle of a handgun is pointed directly perpendicular to the floor,...

That right there is why I say it isn't perfectly safe. We've both seen people miss 3'x3' targets from 3 yards away. If that gun isn't perfectly perpendicular, the amount of sand becomes questionable as does the protection. I've seen holes in the side of a clearing barrel.

If it is carried with the hammer down it will function in a DA mode so there is really no need to decock it on a regular basis.
So how many times do you need to do that?

It needs to be done every time the gun is holstered. DA/SA guns are intended to be carried with the hammer down.

Some, like the gun in question, can be carried cocked-and-locked like a 1911. If you intend to carry it that way, the decocker will hardly ever be used.

Regardless, the point is not moot if someone has a question about how it works or if they use it even once. Anything we can do to help them understand is a good thing.

 

[rwsmith]

I gather from this discussion.....

No, just keep a dead horse in the apartment and point gun (safe direction) at it when decocking the firearm

It's amazing how many pistols have this feature so there must be a study somewhere on how many have gone off while decocking

Think the gun makers would make them if that was a problem??

Heck striker fired guns make me more nervous.

Decocking is a safety device, but isn't to be trusted just like any other safety device and you should depend more on your own safe handling as primary and the safety devices are back ups.

Now, your last statement about striker vs hammer guns has had me curious for a long time. I'm going to look back and see what discussion there has been on the subject. If I need to I'll make another thread.

 

[Rustyt1953]

rw, I currently own two such animals; a 6906 and a Bersa Thunder. After many years of reliable use by both, I must admit that I still experience a slight pucker when that hammer drops with a live round in the tube.

I am still ever mindful of where they are pointing when I do it.

 

[Rule3]

Decocking is a safety device, but isn't to be trusted just like any other safety device and you should depend more on your own safe handling as primary and the safety devices are back ups.

Now, your last statement about striker vs hammer guns has had me curious for a long time. I'm going to look back and see what discussion there has been on the subject. If I need to I'll make another thread.

Well you can always just not carry a round in the chamber or a round in the cylinder under the hammer.

No, a decocker is not a "safety" device it is exactly what the name says it is. It may also be both on the safety lever.

All my Sigs have decockers, but no "safety"

But even Sig had to get on the striker fire
"bandwagon"

 

[Rastoff]

I've never even heard of a gun firing when a factory decocker was used.

 

[gregintenn]

I've never even heard of a gun firing when a factory decocker was used.

Load yourself up a CZ 52 and let her fall.

 

[gregintenn]

I don't even know how to begin to respond to this . . .

I take it you've never been to West Virginia.

 

[Rastoff]

Load yourself up a CZ 52 and let her fall.

Send me one.

 

[rwsmith]

I played with it some...

Using the decocker the hammer only drops so far. But if you try to decock it like a revolver the hammer can drop completely unless you let the trigger up early. So, after seeing and feeling it, the decocker serves a great purpose and is much safer than dropping the hammer manually.

 

[kpap]

Oh the joys of the Bersa Thunder, I was driving through a very undesirable area, once I made it out of the area I decided to deploy the safety. I about had a heart attack when the hammer dropped, thought I shot off Russell the one eyed love muscle. Needless to say I traded that sucker in for a shield. I'm a 1911 fan and completely forgot about the quirky Bersa dropping the hammer when the safety is engaged.......

 

[Rastoff]

Using the decocker the hammer only drops so far. But if you try to decock it like a revolver the hammer can drop completely unless you let the trigger up early. So, after seeing and feeling it, the decocker serves a great purpose and is much safer than dropping the hammer manually.

This is correct. It does lead to the question though, why drop the hammer on a chambered round ever, unless firing?

You can't do that on a Glock or an M&P or many of the other striker fired guns. What's funny about that is no one, absolutely no one, complains about the striker being cocked with a round in the chamber on those.

So, again, what's the reason anyone would ever need to drop the hammer on a loaded chamber unless firing the gun?

 

[Rule3]

This is correct. It does lead to the question though, why drop the hammer on a chambered round ever, unless firing?

You can't do that on a Glock or an M&P or many of the other striker fired guns. What's funny about that is no one, absolutely no one, complains about the striker being cocked with a round in the chamber on those.

So, again, what's the reason anyone would ever need to drop the hammer on a loaded chamber unless firing the gun?

Pretty much every time you stop shooting a revolver. You fire 3 shots now what do you do? Lower the hammer with your thumb and hope it it doesn't slip and fall.

I do not know of anyone that worries about decocking a pistol.

The hammer does not fall on the FP it falls on the hammer block.

Take all those Beretta's away from the Military!!!

Bad Request It works)



Ambidextrous Safety

The safety-decocking lever of the 92FS is fully ambidextrous. Besides enabling easy use by right- and left-handed shooters, this features makes it possible to operate the control in different ways and under different tactical situations, such as during unholstering.

 

[Farmer17]

OK since we're talking about pointing a gun at the floor I'll tell you a story. About 35 years ago I bought a brand new nickle Chiefs Special .38 snubnose at the Oklahoma City Gun Show and was showing it to my friend Andy who had come over to my apartment. Andy was sitting on the couch and I brought the gun out of my bedroom and pointed the barrel at the ceiling and hit the ejector rod with my thumb 3 times and dumped the rounds into my hand. I then pointed the gun at the floor to try out the double action trigger. Click...Click...BANG!!!! Andy jumped out of the couch and since I lived on the second floor, I was immediately panicking about the people below! My chest was pounding and my heart skipped a beat as I slowly went down the stairs. I didn't hear any screaming and wondered if the person below was dead and I looked through the patio window and after a while, I realized no one was home. I felt around on my carpet and discovered there was a concrete slab below me, I never did find the slug, and that was my only Negligent Discharge in 57 years. I guess some grease on the extractor held one of the rounds in place and it didn't eject, I now always count the rounds when I unload along with double checking the gun.

 

[bgrone]

Decocker

I have several (I have to take my shoes off to count them) TDA Smiths with decockers. To chamber a round after inserting a loaded magazine I cycle the slide, the hammer is now cocked
( the gun is ready to fire single action) I then use the decocker lever to lower the hammer (to the blocked position) the gun is on safe , I can holster the gun to carry now or raise the lever to the fire position in this position the gun is ready to fire double action. Some feel the double action trigger pull is safety enough and carry in this mode. I prefer to leave the decocker/safety lever down as it blocks the hammer, I find it intuitive to raise the lever with my thumb when drawing. On several of my Smiths lowering the hammer with my thumb is not an option due to bobbed hammers.

 

[Rastoff]

Pretty much every time you stop shooting a revolver. You fire 3 shots now what do you do? Lower the hammer with your thumb and hope it it doesn't slip and fall.

Really? You're confused about this? If you're using a double action(DA) revolver and are done shooting, don't pull the trigger again. The hammer is already down on a fired casing. If you're using a single action(SA) revolver and you're done shooting, don't cock the hammer again. Same goes for using a DA revolver in SA mode. Just don't cock it again.

How is this confusing? Especially with a revolver you don't need to decock it on a live chamber. But if you want to, keep it pointed in the safest direction available and put your support thumb between the hammer and the frame. Release the hammer and take your finger off the trigger. Now ease the hammer all the way to the frame.

 

[Rastoff]

I must amend my earlier statement:

The only time a hammer will need to be lowered on a live round is with a DA/SA gun. They are intended to be carried with the hammer down. But in that case, the gun is designed to be decocked and has safeties in place to prevent discharge. I don't like DA/SA guns, but some do.

 

[Old TexMex]

This is correct. It does lead to the question though, why drop the hammer on a chambered round ever, unless firing?

You can't do that on a Glock or an M&P or many of the other striker fired guns. What's funny about that is no one, absolutely no one, complains about the striker being cocked with a round in the chamber on those.

So, again, what's the reason anyone would ever need to drop the hammer on a loaded chamber unless firing the gun?

Here's why:
CZ75D Fire first round DA. At that point, the gun is loaded and cocked ( Condition 0). Continue to fire if required. (There is no safety). If no need to continue to fire, Decock, drop mag and add one round, or holster the weapon in Condition 2.
Condition 2 is the correct way to carry a DA/SA semi auto pistol.

 

[Rule3]

Really? You're confused about this? If you're using a double action(DA) revolver and are done shooting, don't pull the trigger again. The hammer is already down on a fired casing. If you're using a single action(SA) revolver and you're done shooting, don't cock the hammer again. Same goes for using a DA revolver in SA mode. Just don't cock it again.

How is this confusing? Especially with a revolver you don't need to decock it on a live chamber. But if you want to, keep it pointed in the safest direction available and put your support thumb between the hammer and the frame. Release the hammer and take your finger off the trigger. Now ease the hammer all the way to the frame.

I must amend this statement You are correct on the revolver part.
I was in single action.

What is a safe direction? (discussed in some posts above)

Yes, I was a might befuddled but have an excuse,

This thread died a long time ago.

The Military is recalling all BERETTA Handguns, they are unsafe..............................