Looking at an ar

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Been wanting an AR for quit a while now and I think I've made up my mind...maybe. I'm looking at getting a m&p15 sku: 11512? Looking at all comments please
 
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I would only recommend this rifle if you like it just the way it comes out of the box and would not want to change out anything on it. Add an optic, sling, and light at most and call it a day.

If you want different hand guards, a different stock, or free float barrel, then do not get this particular rifle. You would be paying for Magpul accessories that you plan to replace.
 
Nice rifle with nicer (nicer than the standard M&P stuff) Magpul furniture. As @Cyphertext said, you are paying a premium for the Magpul stuff, so if you want this rifle I'd plan to keep the Magpul items on it.
 
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Agreed with the above. I bought a Sig M400 enhanced in 2013. Granted, any AR was harder to find then so beggars couldn't be choosers. But.. I replaced the magpul handguards with a Daniel Defense drop in, and the stock and grip both down the line. I sold the handguards on Ebay and the stock and MOE grip locally so not all that bad, but in todays market where you can get whatever you want at any time, I would not buy something with upgraded (if thats what you want to call it) furniture if I planned on changing that out later. The floppy S&W stock and the standard grip/handguards suffice in that matter.
 
Actually yes I like this look, I want iron sights and I like the carry handle. And since it does come off I can add an optic on the picatinny rail
 
And from what I seen the barrel is 4140 its Chrome lined and so is a lot of the parts in the receiver so it should hold up and last a lifetime? Plus it has the better 1:7 twist from what I was told
 
And from what I seen the barrel is 4140 its Chrome lined and so is a lot of the parts in the receiver so it should hold up and last a lifetime? Plus it has the better 1:7 twist from what I was told

Are you sure you are looking at the 11512?

That is the MOE SL Mid Magpulmodel... no carry handle, barrel is not chrome lined, has 1:8 twist with 5R rifling. You are describing something that is different.

M&P(R)15 MOE SL(R) Mid Magpul(R) Spec Series™ | Smith & Wesson
 
Oh snap! I'm sorry everyone, sku is 11511
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And from what I seen the barrel is 4140 its Chrome lined and so is a lot of the parts in the receiver so it should hold up and last a lifetime? Plus it has the better 1:7 twist from what I was told

It is a myth that a 1:7" twist is "better". It is simply an option.

What ammo are you planning on shooting? Less expensive 55gr FMJ or maybe 62gr M855? Or are you going to be using heavier weight ammo for longer ranges even though it costs more? What's your end use?

In my opinion, a 1:7" twist is "better" under these conditions:

You want a gun that will shoot any ammo you can find, even if it does not shoot lighter weights as optimally as a slower twist. This is also the thinking of the military.

You want to shoot very long range and have a longer barreled (20" to 24") match grade rifle that can utilize heavy bullets, and you are probably handloading to get the maximum accuracy from it.
 
Just read all the responses and I'm more confused now. The 11511 is slightly better in durability because of all the chrome that's added?
It's milspec in trigger guard but some save it's weaker design?
Both guns have none milspec 4140 barrel (milspec is 5150?)
 
For the next 6-7 years I'm stuck in new jersey until I move out west (Wyoming or similar state) so I'll be using the gun just to plink and have some fun. When I move out of this horrible state it will most likely be used for the same aspect FUN. I have plenty of rifles for hunting purposes to put meat on the table
 
Just read all the responses and I'm more confused now. The 11511 is slightly better in durability because of all the chrome that's added?
It's milspec in trigger guard but some save it's weaker design?
Both guns have none milspec 4140 barrel (milspec is 5150?)

Milspec is 4150, but part of that specification is also magnetic particle testing, etc. There's more to the spec than just the material.

Chrome plating helps protect the bore from corrosion and erosion. It provides a hard surface for the bullet to pass over and protects the steel from that wear, extending barrel life. The drawback is any imperfections in the barrel's bore will not be smoothed out from firing, and are simply coated with chrome. As a generality your best accuracy barrels are not chrome lined. (I want to emphasize "generality". There have definitely been exceptions.)

Melonite treatment, which S&W calls Armornite, is an alternative barrel treatment. Instead of layering on the surface like chrome, it goes into the metal surface. Supposedly this does not have the drawbacks of coating imperfections, but I have not heard of a study saying those imperfections tend to smooth out in a reasonable round count either. Claims have been made it is superior to chrome and barrels last longer. I prefer it to chrome because the as-cut barrel dimensions are kept, not changed by coating.

Is a chrome or Melonite treated 4140 barrel as good as a 4150 barrel? Technically, no. But the longevity of both barrels is increased to the point where it is not likely the average owner is going to wear either out unless they have a big ammo budget or are shooting so fast and often that the barrel becomes an honorary branding iron.

For maximum accuracy I prefer an untreated barrel made from premium steel, but that AR has a low round count as it is reserved for hunting.

As for the trigger guard, the swing down milspec design is generally thought to be weaker than an integral guard because it is possible for a blow to that area to break an ear off. Now, you have to ask yourself this.... Have you ever personally known anyone who broke an ear off? I've never even seen a pic on the internet of a broken ear. I think that argument is a moot point. So for "authenticity" of a "milspec" gun you want the ears. But that means you want the rest of the gun to be milspec too, so watch for barrel material, magnetic particle checking, etc. The reason I like the integral guard is I don't have to buy an aftermarket guard for winter gloves and fit it. Funny how an integral guard used to be a selling point on high end ARs and now it is offered on some budget guns.
 
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Like I said I'm gonna plink her in new jersey and when I move in will shoot a lot more but mainly plinking. I'm sure I'll use it to take a deer or coyote WOULD love to go hog hunting one day so there's my buying points. I like iron sights and the look of the two guns I mentioned, yes I have the money for he 1000 dollar are but I need to know is it worth it? II want an AR figured s&w is good because I own a lot of their pistols. Was looking at colt but they don't offer a carry handle like the Smith I'm open to other manufacturers BUT I want a good gun that's gonna last
 
Like I said I'm gonna plink her in new jersey and when I move in will shoot a lot more but mainly plinking. I'm sure I'll use it to take a deer or coyote WOULD love to go hog hunting one day so there's my buying points. I like iron sights and the look of the two guns I mentioned, yes I have the money for he 1000 dollar are but I need to know is it worth it? II want an AR figured s&w is good because I own a lot of their pistols. Was looking at colt but they don't offer a carry handle like the Smith I'm open to other manufacturers BUT I want a good gun that's gonna last

Detachable carry handles are readily available, ranging from cheap UTG's to higher end.

I don't see why a Sport II would not fulfill your needs, and its twist is more suitable for 55 grain cheap plinking ammo.

M&P(R)15 Sport™ II | Smith & Wesson

For that matter, detachable front sights are readily available as well, in solid or folding versions. This would allow the option of not having a sight in the way of a scope or using folding sights fore and aft.

M&P(R)15 SPORT™ II Optics Ready | Smith & Wesson

I bought a Sport II. Did not have an AR set up for low light conditions using lighter bullets in my collection. The Sport II met my needs. Here it is tarted up with Magpul furniture from the spare parts bin, and an EOTech sight.

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One suggestion before you get to gung ** about which one you want. Make very sure what you want is legal to buy.You have some particular laws in Jersey that may make the model you're looking at illegal. Your best bet is to see what is available in store locally, and then go from there.
 
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