Walmart is in business to make a profit but at least they didn't increase their prices on guns and ammo like almost everyone else did during the great Obama Gun Panic, including most of the beloved mom and pop stores. I remember having to pay over $50 for a brick of .22 shells from a small gunshop because Walmart was always out since the small gun store owners were showing up there at all hours of the night buying up their stock to resell at double or triple the price.
Is Walmart Bad For America?
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S&WIowegan
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You can't fix stupid and sometimes I think you can't fix ignorant either. If anyone thinks Walmart is ruining America, that's simply short-sighted ignorant. It's called economics. I can't count the number of towns in Iowa where the locals say: Walmart sure ruined our main street stores, but I go for the low prices!
Pay attention!! It won't be long and Walmart will be failing and we'll blame it all on Amazon. Change and innovation is inevitable. If you don't like it move to European countries where they pass laws and regulations to protect every industry and profession.....but you may not be able to live there.
Pay attention!! It won't be long and Walmart will be failing and we'll blame it all on Amazon. Change and innovation is inevitable. If you don't like it move to European countries where they pass laws and regulations to protect every industry and profession.....but you may not be able to live there.
Arik
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That's assuming they sell guns and ammo. I remember when Walmart sold guns and ammo, that was sometime around 1998.
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All of the Wal-Mart stores in my area sell rifles, shotguns and ammo.
Arik
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None here. Not one. The ones that do arnt worth the drive
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DeathGrip
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Walmart's prices are better than most anywhere around here. I go for basics that are the same brands that I can get at the competition and save a bunch. I refuse to buy their meats or most of the produce from them because every time I have I regretted it.
I don't buy my clothes or tools or furniture or on and on from WM either.
My local WM has long guns and ammo, just not a great selection of either.
It's called shopping. I hate it but I do like to spend wisely.
Added, I see the Amazon trucks on my street more than the post office, UPS or FEDEX combined.
I don't buy my clothes or tools or furniture or on and on from WM either.
My local WM has long guns and ammo, just not a great selection of either.
It's called shopping. I hate it but I do like to spend wisely.
Added, I see the Amazon trucks on my street more than the post office, UPS or FEDEX combined.
Rastoff
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I have a love-hate relationship with Wal-Mart.
When Sam was still around, I loved it. Good prices, great service and they really did make an effort to buy American. Once he passed, the place went down hill.
The biggest problem I have with Wal-Mart is how they handle middle level employees. They'll work them 39 hours, then give them one day off, then work them another 39 hours. They do this to avoid making an employee full time. Wal-Mart is not unique in this, but I despise this kind of management.
The second biggest problem is the clientele. I don't know what it's like where you shop, but around here I meet the nastiest people in Wal-Mart. I just don't understand the mentality that thinks because they condescended to buy a $0.39 item it entitles them to belittle the cashier.
On the flip side, Wal-Mart represents everything the US is founded on. It shows that by putting in the effort, anyone can turn a business into a huge success. They really are taking advantage of the capitalistic dream.
I no longer shop there. They've been threatening to put one in the little town I live in and I won't shop there either. Neither do I shop at the dollar stores. I just don't like the junk they sell and as I mentioned, the clientele they draw.
When Sam was still around, I loved it. Good prices, great service and they really did make an effort to buy American. Once he passed, the place went down hill.
The biggest problem I have with Wal-Mart is how they handle middle level employees. They'll work them 39 hours, then give them one day off, then work them another 39 hours. They do this to avoid making an employee full time. Wal-Mart is not unique in this, but I despise this kind of management.
The second biggest problem is the clientele. I don't know what it's like where you shop, but around here I meet the nastiest people in Wal-Mart. I just don't understand the mentality that thinks because they condescended to buy a $0.39 item it entitles them to belittle the cashier.
On the flip side, Wal-Mart represents everything the US is founded on. It shows that by putting in the effort, anyone can turn a business into a huge success. They really are taking advantage of the capitalistic dream.
I no longer shop there. They've been threatening to put one in the little town I live in and I won't shop there either. Neither do I shop at the dollar stores. I just don't like the junk they sell and as I mentioned, the clientele they draw.
When I lived in Oregon they had Bi Mart stores that used Wal Marts way of doing business. Altho they were employee owned. I did a lot of business including firearms & reloading supplies. Better parking ,too.
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It isn't just your Walmart, trust me. But if you think Walmart's bad, try talking ammo with a clerk at the appropriately named Dick's Sporting Goods. It's no wonder I drink.
Arik
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I had a feeling that's who you were talking aboutWhy Arik,,, Did you Boscov today?
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revolver59
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It's not bad for America, but I will bet you it's better for China!!!
wheelgun28
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The thing with Walmart is that they are the poster child for "The Race to the Bottom". While most of that mind set is over the legacy lives on.
If you did get to see the movie The Real Cost of Walmart, it shows how they force vendors to lower prices (I do think the movie was a hit piece of propaganda).
However the argument can be made who is really to blame here?
Are we (the public) Walmart minions and blindly buy things or do we just need to save every cent on every item we buy. I posed a question to someone one day, if two seemingly identical items were for sale and one was twenty percent (fifteen, ten, two?) higher but made in the USA and the other cheaper on was made someplace on the other side of the planet what would you buy?
Sadly most folks will buy the cheaper, maybe me too...
So is Walmart forcing us to buy cheap goods or are we forcing Walmart to sell cheap goods?
The other argument made is that the USA manufactures more things than it ever has. We have moved on from low skill jobs such as garment manufacturing or bulk machine operating jobs. We have higher skill jobs and better wages. With manufacturing pay scale kinda flat for decades the USA can be very competitive in certain areas. Is this argument true, well, I'll leave that to someone else to prove or not.
Lastly, why do we need to buy so much stuff? My grandparents had less disposable junk around the house and more money in the bank. (I am no different I could toss out half the stuff in the house and never miss it) Consumerism is a hobby today and the credit companies love it it seems. Folks go in debt to buy things they don't really need. Such goes life I suppose
If you did get to see the movie The Real Cost of Walmart, it shows how they force vendors to lower prices (I do think the movie was a hit piece of propaganda).
However the argument can be made who is really to blame here?
Are we (the public) Walmart minions and blindly buy things or do we just need to save every cent on every item we buy. I posed a question to someone one day, if two seemingly identical items were for sale and one was twenty percent (fifteen, ten, two?) higher but made in the USA and the other cheaper on was made someplace on the other side of the planet what would you buy?
Sadly most folks will buy the cheaper, maybe me too...
So is Walmart forcing us to buy cheap goods or are we forcing Walmart to sell cheap goods?
The other argument made is that the USA manufactures more things than it ever has. We have moved on from low skill jobs such as garment manufacturing or bulk machine operating jobs. We have higher skill jobs and better wages. With manufacturing pay scale kinda flat for decades the USA can be very competitive in certain areas. Is this argument true, well, I'll leave that to someone else to prove or not.
Lastly, why do we need to buy so much stuff? My grandparents had less disposable junk around the house and more money in the bank. (I am no different I could toss out half the stuff in the house and never miss it) Consumerism is a hobby today and the credit companies love it it seems. Folks go in debt to buy things they don't really need. Such goes life I suppose
Arik
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Like I said....It's a viscous cycle. As employees we want top dollar but as consumers we want to stretch every cent. A company cant pay me what I'd like to make and still sell to me at the price I want to pay!
It's true we don't need as much as we have but it's also what makes life easier and more comfortable and convenient.
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The trouble with Walmart is that the majority of employees are part timers with no benes.30-35 hrs a week is the norm.Loads of them qualify for food stamps.Most can't afford health insurance either,so they go without or depend on Medicaid.Anyone who pays taxes is subsidizing the company's bottom line
The town I work in used to be directly centered between Walmart Super Centers. One ten miles north and the other ten miles south. We still had two regional chain grocery stores, local appliance shops, boutiques, hardware store, a Farm & Fleet type store and more. Then Walmart built a smaller scale super center two miles outside town
Within five years all the town had left was the hardware store, a struggling pharmacy and a bunch of consignment stores. Last year a new Tractor Supply opened in town, however it isn't doing well.
The smaller Walmart is set up as a trap for those who either can't or won't drive to the other nearby communities with larger stores and competition. The Walmart here does not sell much of their store brand "Great Value" line. The name brand items are priced a few percent higher too. A bottle of Heinz Ketchup which sells for $2.49 at the WM's ten miles away costs $2.69 here. Green beans? Well at the other stores the GV brand is $.55 per can and Green Giant is $.99. Here no GV and Green Giant is $1.09. The $9.99 women's T's are $11.99 at this store and dog food that is $14.99 a bag north and south is $17.99 here.
If you can't or won't travel 10 miles in either direction to shop those Walmarts, or their competition, then you will PAY to shop here.
Within five years all the town had left was the hardware store, a struggling pharmacy and a bunch of consignment stores. Last year a new Tractor Supply opened in town, however it isn't doing well.
The smaller Walmart is set up as a trap for those who either can't or won't drive to the other nearby communities with larger stores and competition. The Walmart here does not sell much of their store brand "Great Value" line. The name brand items are priced a few percent higher too. A bottle of Heinz Ketchup which sells for $2.49 at the WM's ten miles away costs $2.69 here. Green beans? Well at the other stores the GV brand is $.55 per can and Green Giant is $.99. Here no GV and Green Giant is $1.09. The $9.99 women's T's are $11.99 at this store and dog food that is $14.99 a bag north and south is $17.99 here.
If you can't or won't travel 10 miles in either direction to shop those Walmarts, or their competition, then you will PAY to shop here.
DWalt
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I can hardly believe some of the comments I am reading here.
Wal-Mart is no worse for the country than any other large retailer of any kind. Take your pick. No one is forced to buy anything from any of them. No one is forced to work at any of them. You might just as well say that the Internet is bad for the country. Look at how bad for the country Amazon is, or even eBay. It's too bad Wal-Mart can't pay all their employees a $50/hour minimum wage. But then what retailer can? It's too bad that many smaller retailers have been put out of business, but it wasn't Wal-Mart that caused that. Back in the days before Wal-Mart even existed as a national chain, when discount stores first arrived in the 1950s and 1960s, the exact same accusations were being made against Woolworth (Woolco), K-Mart, and a host of other discount chains, most of which are no longer in business and have been long forgotten. Does anyone remember Heck's, Hart's, and E. J. Korvettes? Wal-Mart is simply more efficient in giving their customers what they want at prices they are willing to pay, and is one of the few retailers remaining which is not in deep trouble today due to internet-based competition, which goes far beyond just Amazon.
Wal-Mart is no worse for the country than any other large retailer of any kind. Take your pick. No one is forced to buy anything from any of them. No one is forced to work at any of them. You might just as well say that the Internet is bad for the country. Look at how bad for the country Amazon is, or even eBay. It's too bad Wal-Mart can't pay all their employees a $50/hour minimum wage. But then what retailer can? It's too bad that many smaller retailers have been put out of business, but it wasn't Wal-Mart that caused that. Back in the days before Wal-Mart even existed as a national chain, when discount stores first arrived in the 1950s and 1960s, the exact same accusations were being made against Woolworth (Woolco), K-Mart, and a host of other discount chains, most of which are no longer in business and have been long forgotten. Does anyone remember Heck's, Hart's, and E. J. Korvettes? Wal-Mart is simply more efficient in giving their customers what they want at prices they are willing to pay, and is one of the few retailers remaining which is not in deep trouble today due to internet-based competition, which goes far beyond just Amazon.
mrchuck
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Our small town has a very nice Wal-Mart and this is the 1st place we go to.
Groceries, motor oil, Prescriptions, etc.
We are blessed to have such a store.
The other grocery stores are approx 7 miles away, and also shop there once in a while.
No store around us has everything we old farts need or want.
Groceries, motor oil, Prescriptions, etc.
We are blessed to have such a store.
The other grocery stores are approx 7 miles away, and also shop there once in a while.
No store around us has everything we old farts need or want.
I hate to answer for someone else, but I'm pretty sure he is talking about Al Boscov, who was a real class act!
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