DID THE SINGLE STACK 9MM KILL THE CARRY REVOLVER?

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Did the Single-Stack Nine Kill the Carry Revolver?
by Kevin Creighton - Friday, March 24, 2017


Once upon a time, police officers who patrolled our streets carried revolvers on their hips. Guns like the Colt Police Positive and the Smith & Wesson Model 19 were their primary defensive firearm, and they carried .38 Spl. snub-nosed carry revolvers like the Detective Special and J-Frames for backup guns and when they were off duty.

They carried those small revolvers because they were small, easy to conceal and had a manual of arms that was more or less the same as the guns they carried for a living. The snub-nosed carry revolver also had the advantage of using essentially the same type of ammunition as their service revolvers, so the transition from full-sized service revolver to compact concealed-carry gun meant dealing with more recoil and less accuracy from the smaller gun, and that was about it.
Today, though, police officers are far more likely to carry a Glock or a SIG Sauer or a Smith & Wesson M&P semiautomatic pistol than they are a .38 Spl. or .357 Mag. revolver, and guns like the Smith & Wesson Shield, Ruger LC9s and the Glock G43 are reflecting that new reality. Smaller, lighter and easier to conceal than their full-sized cousins, small single-stack 9 mms are becoming a popular option for people who want to carry a pistol with them, but find that carrying a larger gun like a Glock G19 or SIG P320 is just too much to deal with on a day in, day out basis. I myself prefer carry a larger pistol whenever I can, but there are some times when the occasion demands more discretion than firepower, and that’s where the thinness and light weight of a single-stack 9 mm really comes through.
A miniature 9 mm also offers you the advantages of the same manual of arms your larger gun. If you’re used to a striker-fired gun, the operation of the Ruger LC9s or Glock G43 will seem like second nature to you, just like the operation of snub-nosed revolvers mimic the operation of their larger cousins. My fingers goes naturally to the magazine release on my 9 mm Smith & Wesson Shield because that's where it is on the large semi-automatic pistols that I occasionally carry, and the methods I use to clear malfunctions are pretty much the same between those guns as well.
The reasons to carry a subcompact, single-stack 9 mm over a larger pistol are also essentially the same as reasons to carry a small revolver instead of full-sized gun. With the right holster and appropriate cover garment, it's fairly easy to discretely carry a full-size 9 mm on a daily basis and without tipping people off that you're carrying a pistol with you. However, it's even easier to conceal a smaller gun, and a smaller gun also opens other options like pocket carry that are even more discreet.
When it comes to defensive applications, the subcompact single stack 9 mm has several advantages over snub-nosed revolvers. The thinner, slimmer design of the semi-automatic means it can slide into locations for concealed carry that aren't available to thicker, bulkier revolvers, although, counter-intuitively, I've found that unless you pay attention to holster choice, a small .38 Spl. revolver forms an indistinct lump in a front pocket that's easily mistaken for a wallet and keys, while the flatter, more angular form of a mini 9 mm sticks out and says "gun" more readily.
Another advantage of a mini 9 mm over small revolver is ammunition capacity. Subcompact single stacks typically have at least six rounds of ammunition in the magazine and one more in the chamber, and extended magazine that pack in eight rounds or more are not uncommon, By comparison, six rounds is maximum amount of ammo in most pocket revolvers, with five rounds being the most-common option available.
Firing a full-power cartridge from a pint-sized frame, sub-compact 9 mm pistols can be a handful to shoot, just like their smaller, lighter weight revolver cousins, and there are many factors working against shooting a small 9 mm accurately and quickly. The short sight radius of a pocket gun can affect accuracy and their smaller size means there is less of the gun to hold on to as it recoils. Also, the lighter weight of a subcompact gun means there is less mass to soak up recoil, slowing down follow up shots and less mass to resist a bad trigger pull, which can dramatically affect your accuracy.
Whether or not a subcompact single stack 9 mm a good choice for you over small revolver is up to you and your set of circumstances. For myself and many other gun owners in America, though, those trade-offs in accuracy and firepower are worth having a small, easily-concealable defensive pistol with features and functionality that mimic the larger, full-size defensive pistols we use in competition and in our jobs.
 
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Not a chance. If I'm going to accept the drawbacks of an autoloader I want as much capacity as I can get. A semiauto that only holds a round or two more than a revolver seems like the worst possible compromise in my opinion.

Edit: Maybe I'm being a bit harsh. For the people who can't learn to shoot a revolver (I haven't met many, but I hear on the Internet they exist) I suppose the single stack 9 is a good option.
 
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My short answer is no.

My first longer answer is yes, possibly or maybe even probably, for those who use handguns in competition and in their jobs that they greatly like and are used to so it is a simple matter for them to carry a "shrunken one".

But my longer answer is "no", but that goes for those of us who like revolvers, especially short barreled revolvers, although I daresay there are plenty of folks out there who successfully conceal 3" and 4" wheel guns.

The pocket revolver goes everywhere, easily conceals, and the general shooting/self defense populace doesn't feel under gunned with a 5 shot revolver in, usually, but not always, .38 Special caliber.

I have a pocket holster for a 2" snubby K-frame that I can use when I wear loose fitting cargo pants. That gives me the ability to carry a 6-shooter instead of a 5 shot J frame. Better yet, however, I routinely carry a 6 shot, snubbie K frame on my belt. Very easy to conceal under an open shirt, loose shirt, or vest.

The biggest problem "concealed carry revolver" folks have is the dearth of such guns except in five shot sizes. Colt just brought back a "Cobra", and Kimber now makes a couple of them, maybe Taurus makes one, I am not certain. If S&W started a run of Model 10 snubbies I bet they would sell in quantity and quickly. K frame snubbies are so much better in so many ways than any five shot wheelie that it would not surprise me if the sellers could even keep them in stock for any length of time.

There are occasions when I carry a CS-9, a single stack 9mm, and sometimes a 6906, a double stack 9mm. But my first preference is always a snubbie revolver and I don't think that I am alone. Not for older guys, anyway..... :)
 
The biggest problem "concealed carry revolver" folks have is the dearth of such guns except in five shot sizes. Colt just brought back a "Cobra", and Kimber now makes a couple of them, maybe Taurus makes one, I am not certain. If S&W started a run of Model 10 snubbies I bet they would sell in quantity and quickly. K frame snubbies are so much better in so many ways than any five shot wheelie that it would not surprise me if the sellers could even keep them in stock for any length of time.

Couldn't agree more! At least S&W now makes a 2.75" Model 66, which is a good start, but the 2" Model 10 makes a much better pocket gun. An updated Model 12 rated for +P would be even better. I can't believe it's taken this long to see any new 6 shot snubs on the market again.
 
I would say that no, the single-stack 9mm hasn't killed the carry revolver, but I think it's encroached significantly into the revolver's domain, maybe even the majority of the domain. But I think there will always be people around who will appreciate the capabilities of a good snub revolver.

I EDC a 642, but I have to admit that a single-stack 9mm would be a nice option to have. I'm not taking about pocket 9s, though. I'm thinking something along the lines of a Sig P239 or a Kahr P9.

If S&W started a run of Model 10 snubbies I bet they would sell in quantity and quickly. K frame snubbies are so much better in so many ways than any five shot wheelie that it would not surprise me if the sellers could even keep them in stock for any length of time.

A little off topic, but I always thought a scandium alloy/stainless steel version of the 2" Model 12 RB, with a dovetailed front sight, would make for a great concealed carry K-frame.

Also, I miss my bobbed/DAO 2" 64. :(
 
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and the Smith & Wesson Model 19 were their primary defensive firearm

More like the S&W Model 10' otherwise, I agree with the others that a good snub can be just as handy as a small single stack.
 
I just went to the store, a quick trip, took my 2 1/2" model 66 with one speed loader, didn't feel like I was lacking any fire power. As it was written above an extra 1 or 2 rounds in a single stack auto-loader isn't a good trade off when you factor in the reliability factor between a revolver and a auto loader. Now if I was going shopping in Detroit, I would take a Glock 19 and 2 extra magazines.
 
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Just some quick thoughts:
You make good points in the argument of the "super compact". Yet, I would like to bring a couple of further points forward.
First, I would like to state that for every single handgun shooter, the most important feature of any handgun is "How comfortable are you (the shooter) with this particular handgun".
A proper grip is important in marksmanship, yet I own many pistols, some are more comfortable feeling in my hand than others whether they are automatics or revolvers. And, believe it or not, I consistently demonstrate better marksmanship with those pistols that I like the feeling of than the ones that are not that comfortable in my hand.
Also, how comfortable is the shooter with the functionality of the handgun (i.e. slide safety, slide stop, etc.). All humans learn to use tools, yet each has their own unique perspective on what muscles to use, the coordination, and the logic tree of function. Having taught basic pistol and rifle marksmanship to Soldiers for over 20 years, you would be surprised how step by step, in very intricate detail, one must be to achieve the desired results from a platoon of Soldiers. Each Soldier does understand the instructions, but each one will interpret those instructions in their own unique way until corrected.
Furthermore, the “super compacts” in 9mm, 40 S&W, and .45 ACP did not exist until this generation along with the move from revolver to automatic. In the past, one had only limited choices (examples like the S&W Model 36, Colt Detective, and the Walther PPK) of caliber to select from. Most examples being either .38 Special or .380 ACP.
Now, I am not a law enforcement officer, but I believe that the ammo capacity of a duty weapon or back up weapon would be an important consideration in choosing the right pistol. But, as a civilian looking at self-protection handguns, ammunition capacity is not that important. In other words, if I need more than six rounds to get me out of there, then I should not have been there to begin with.
 
REVOLVERS DEAD? HARDLY

A 38 snub won't come out of battery if pressed against someone. A bad primer? pull the trigger, problem solved. Can't get it out of a coat pocket, shoot thru it. Need to hand it off to a non shooter if you are hit, no learning curve just point & pull the trigger. No brass knuckles? A stainless snub makes a decent basher.
 
i also prefer a 6 shot lightweight pocket revolver....carry a charter arms police special...20 ounces and is considerably lighter than the new kimber or the new colt 6-shots
 
Revolvers are selling very well, so I don't think the single stack 9 has killed anything. I have a .45 shield and almost bought a 9 shield too, but then I came across the 640 PRO and it is what I carry every single day, with a Big smile on my face.
 

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