From the Sig Forum....P320 fails drop testing..orders being cancelled

[mike campbell]

I thought only the Iraqi army drop-tested their weapons.

I know they have a new tank with 4 speeds....one forward and three in reverse.

 

[swsig]

Interesting post from the SIG Talk Forum:

SIG Talk

Unfortunately, no link to Langdon's statement was provided.

 

[LVSteve]

Interesting post from the SIG Talk Forum:

SIG Talk

Unfortunately, no link to Langdon's statement was provided.

Here ya go!

Semi-Auto Triggers: market trends, choices, and consequences

 

[ladder13]

Oh, this horse is far from dead. This gets more interesting by the day.

 

[TTSH]

Oh, this horse is far from dead. This gets more interesting by the day.

Oh yes! A lot of life left in this old horse. The fun is just getting started. Next step: Finding out what Sig's "voluntary upgrade" (wink, wink) solution is going to be and how it goes down with the shooting public.

Did I hear right that there are half a million of these guns already out there? Sounds like an awful lot for just one fairly new model gun. Can anyone confirm or correct the record?

 

[Disabled1]

Glock is behind all of this BS! They just couldn't be happy with their current world status. Losing the military contract is what pushed them over the edge. They were trying to be the HITLER of firearms.

 

[dswancutt]

When your done beating that dead horse could somebody light the grill. No sense in letting that meat go to waste.

They are going to beat this horse into sub-atomic particles.

 

[Walkingwolf]

Glock is behind all of this BS! They just couldn't be happy with their current world status. Losing the military contract is what pushed them over the edge. They were trying to be the HITLER of firearms.

The problem is this does not affect the military 320 as it has a thumb safety. The gun is just like the 1911 with the safety engaged, the sear is blocked.

This whole single action, feather trigger thing that the younger crowd crave without a safety has brought about this problem. Revolvers used to have 15# triggers out of the box, there was no way that trigger was moving if dropped.

IMO a Glock would be a much better weapon with a thumb safety. Still would be like holding a 2X4 though.

 

[Rule3]

Well I'll be.

Looky at the Sig WebSite

What say all the experts now??

Must just be a "courtesy" on their part.

https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/sig-sauer-issues-voluntary-upgrade-p320-pistol/

 

[ladder13]

Here ya go!

Semi-Auto Triggers: market trends, choices, and consequences

Thanks Steve.
Reading comp is not one of my strong suits, so I need help understanding what the writer is saying.
Is he saying Sig, in order to please some segment of the gun crowd decided to mimic a 1911 trigger on a striker fired gun?
Is that correct or am I misreading.....it happens.

 

[LVSteve]

Thanks Steve.
Reading comp is not one of my strong suits, so I need help understanding what the writer is saying.
Is he saying Sig, in order to please some segment of the gun crowd decided to mimic a 1911 trigger on a striker fired gun?
Is that correct or am I misreading.....it happens.

Pretty much. Look at any gun review, and especially those by Wiley Clapp, and if the gun is NOT a 1911 you will have to suffer yet another treatise on how much the author prefers the 1911 trigger mechanism. That's pointless, IMHO, and it has led many shooters to believe that no gun is shootable unless the trigger is like a good 1911. That's clearly bunkum. People have got lazy and are no longer to put in the time to shoot properly.

You can add to this the fascination with accuracy and with a handgun. Without doubt this combination is easier to achieve with a great trigger, but the mantra has become that there is always more speed and accuracy to be had. Sorry folks, but handguns are ultimately limited by physics and manufacturing tolerances even from a Ransom rest. As for offhand shooting, in a self defence scenario fast enough and accurate enough are sufficient, but the worshippers of "more" don't want to hear it.

The "more" crowd have driven the demand for better triggers on striker fired pistols, but for some reason the obvious solution of a SA gun with a safety mechanism that locks the sear has not been pursued by most manufacturers with the XD being the exception. That's because the real money is in LEO contracts, and they don't want manual safeties because of the training overhead. So we end up with light triggers with no safeties and operating mechanisms that are not drop proof.

 

[LVSteve]

Gotta love how Sig get this dig at Glock into their press release when the matter in question has NOTHING to do with disassembly.

The design of the SIG SAUER P320 overcomes the most significant safety concern in striker-fired pistols today: the practice of pressing the trigger for disassembly.

 

[rwsmith]

I'm not saying it's complete bull....

Once again......

You can have your own opinion about Sig's but you can't have your own facts..............................................................

Sig Sauer P320 Fails Drop Test - YouTube

But it can be fixed and if the DPD puts it back in service, that's a good sign. Someone mentioned that the limitations of the mechanical safeties exists, and that the operator is the best back up. For news to sell it has to be pushed to hysteria.

 

[ladder13]

Well I'll be.

Looky at the Sig WebSite

What say all the experts now??

Must just be a "courtesy" on their part.

SIG SAUER Issues Voluntary Upgrade of P320 Pistol | Sig Sauer

The truth always comes out, always. It will in this case as well.
We'll see.

 

[TAROMAN]

Thanks Steve.
Reading comp is not one of my strong suits, so I need help understanding what the writer is saying.
Is he saying Sig, in order to please some segment of the gun crowd decided to mimic a 1911 trigger on a striker fired gun?
Is that correct or am I misreading.....it happens.

That's what I took away from that essay.
An industry trend towards ever more "1911 like" triggers on these poly striker guns.

 

[ladder13]

Gotta love how Sig get this dig at Glock into their press release when the matter in question has NOTHING to do with disassembly.

smoke and mirrors

 

[Brasky]

Glock is behind all of this BS! They just couldn't be happy with their current world status. Losing the military contract is what pushed them over the edge. They were trying to be the HITLER of firearms.

I'm sure glock snuck in to the Sig factory and sabotaged all of these firearms

 

[Walkingwolf]

Gotta love how Sig get this dig at Glock into their press release when the matter in question has NOTHING to do with disassembly.

Well there have been a hell of a lot more people shot from ND's with Glocks, than Sigs dropping. How many dropped Sig AD's has there been?

 

[Disabled1]

I'm sure glock snuck in to the Sig factory and sabotaged all of these firearms

No, that's very far fetched. This is how Glock did it;
SIG beats out Glock in the military contract. Glock gets their panties in a wad and tries to bring a lawsuit against SIG. The government sees no merit in Glocks frivolous lawsuit and dismisses it. So, Glock is even more PO'ed now and starts this campaign about the 320 and how it fires when dropped. Glock is like a small child not getting its way and throwing a temper tantrum.
Now, I must face the wrath of the Glock fanboys. BRING IT!

 

[Ashlander]

Forrestinmathews told of a friend who got a great deal on a new Sig P320. He slapped the friend on the back to congratulate him and the gun went off.